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This post is a great example of how rights are eroded slowly. 20 years ago having cameras tracking your every move in a school would have been a strange propos

by acabal 14y ago

This post is a great example of how rights are eroded slowly. 20 years ago having cameras tracking your every move in a school would have been a strange proposition, and a system to precisely track and record your every move on campus would have been considered insane. Today cameras are accepted as normal, and a tracking system doesn't sound so bad anymore. Really scary stuff. If you told a person 20 years ago that the government would be taking naked pictures of you before you got on an airplane, they wouldn't have believed you. Now our children will grow up thinking that's normal, and when their kids have to agree to have a government-owned tracking camera installed in their homes to verify their behavior one month prior to their flight, that will not seem so outrageous either.

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jfoutz 14y ago
Schools have always taken attendance, and not being able to locate a specific student at a random time is, well, bad. If Principal Vernon didn't catch you, did you still break the rules? The house camera thing sounds expensive.
- acabal 14y ago
  Schools have also managed to more or less solve the problem for centuries already without cameras or RFID tracking. House cameras do sound expensive. They also sound ridiculous. But just a few years ago, mandatory naked pictures of your body before boarding a plane also sounded ridiculous. And they cost $170,000 each[1], which I imagine doesn't include maintenance and salaries for the operators. That sounds expensive. [1] http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/20/a-few-facts-about-tsas-full-body-scanners/ http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/20/a-few-facts-about-tsas-ful...
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  - jfoutz 14y ago
    Total recall is more than 20 years old, and they had full body scanners entering mass transit. Granted, that's a movie. It never really happened. But people were exposed to the idea a long time ago. I don't think the idea was as far fetched as you're making it out to be. edit (sorry) There's also the whole issue of schools having the issue solved. I don't think that's true. Schools and classes are getting bigger. I'm not sure how trustworthy a roll call is in a class of 40. There are ways to mitigate that, of course, but why waste minutes a day when you can just slap on a cheap technical fix. The old way literally wastes days of instruction by saying 'here'. edit, again, because i'm an ass (sorry) If you're putting your kids in the hands of the state, it seems odd worrying that the state is monitoring their behavior closely. It's not like kids have rights. The state is charged with care of those kids, maybe it's a bizzaro solution, but it's a strictly audited and accountable solution.
    - Evbn 14y ago
      I don't know about Brazil, but all US residents have rights guaranteed by the Constitution, including children, and now black people and even women.
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jfoutz 14y ago

Schools have always taken attendance, and not being able to locate a specific student at a random time is, well, bad. If Principal Vernon didn't catch you, did you still break the rules? The house camera thing sounds expensive.

acabal 14y ago
Schools have also managed to more or less solve the problem for centuries already without cameras or RFID tracking. House cameras do sound expensive. They also sound ridiculous. But just a few years ago, mandatory naked pictures of your body before boarding a plane also sounded ridiculous. And they cost $170,000 each[1], which I imagine doesn't include maintenance and salaries for the operators. That sounds expensive. [1] http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/20/a-few-facts-about-tsas-full-body-scanners/ http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/20/a-few-facts-about-tsas-ful...
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- jfoutz 14y ago
  Total recall is more than 20 years old, and they had full body scanners entering mass transit. Granted, that's a movie. It never really happened. But people were exposed to the idea a long time ago. I don't think the idea was as far fetched as you're making it out to be. edit (sorry) There's also the whole issue of schools having the issue solved. I don't think that's true. Schools and classes are getting bigger. I'm not sure how trustworthy a roll call is in a class of 40. There are ways to mitigate that, of course, but why waste minutes a day when you can just slap on a cheap technical fix. The old way literally wastes days of instruction by saying 'here'. edit, again, because i'm an ass (sorry) If you're putting your kids in the hands of the state, it seems odd worrying that the state is monitoring their behavior closely. It's not like kids have rights. The state is charged with care of those kids, maybe it's a bizzaro solution, but it's a strictly audited and accountable solution.
  - Evbn 14y ago
    I don't know about Brazil, but all US residents have rights guaranteed by the Constitution, including children, and now black people and even women.
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