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>As someone who is fascinated by the UFO witnesses coming forward, which I have posted about on this site to standard ridicule, I think theres something to it.

>As someone who is fascinated by the UFO witnesses coming forward, which I have posted about on this site to standard ridicule, I think theres something to it. I mean I wouldn't call it "standard" at this point. The last 3 years the UFO community has made lofty claims and received unprecedented government attention but nothing has come out of it. Every. Single. Video or piece of evidence has been debunked in a very rigorous scientific sense. The rest have been proven to be literal videos of balloons. In one hilarious incident for MONTHS the UFO community believed there was a real video of the Malaysian airlines flight being abducted via some type of teleportation technology. Meanwhile the video had been on the internet for like 10 years and the actual animator had to come and say he had made it himself. When you compare such grand, extraordinary claims with the outcomes there's no logical choice but to just call the people involved in those circles grifters or Russian assets. There IS a reason why Newsmax is pushing the UFO stories. And it's not because they're valid. Quite frankly if I were in poverty and watched how the government treated the lower classes, while it gives unwarranted respect to UFO conspiracy theorists at the highest levels of government it'd lead me to do very drastic things. And I'm not afraid to say that publicly.

igor47 1y ago
Absolutely! The entire UFO phenomenon is just edging its true believers, or like dubstep that takes infinitely long to get to the drop. Always there's something that's about to be revealed or blow the whole thing open, but then it's just more rumors and hearsay and blurry videos of not quite anything.
- Animats 1y ago
  There are serious people studying UFOs. There are also a lot of people flying around a lot of weird drones. Reports of triangular objects going really fast may be one of these.[1] It's even possible to hover one of those, standing on its tail, with the proper control system. There are some people pushing an open source UFO detection system, which is basically a dome surveillance camera pointed upward, connected to tracking software.[2] They have lots of videos. Airplanes, helicopters, hawks, even the International Space Station. 117 sites worldwide, supposedly. No major discoveries yet. Not well coordinated, though. They need to get the same target from two or three viewpoints. That gets you range, and resolves most reflection-type illusions. So you need a few in each city-sized area. Data reduction should be coordinated with ADS-B data, to ident aircraft. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVNIWuLs_7E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVNIWuLs_7E [2] https://ufodap.com/ https://ufodap.com/
  - XorNot 1y ago
    That's actually really cool though, and is the sort of creativity that you'd like to see some out of these things more often because it has genuinely useful applications.
  - UltraSane 1y ago
    There are billions of HD video recording devices in the world today. If UFOs were actually real we would have have a lot of footage of them like we have for everything else that's actually real.
    - Animats 1y ago
      XKCD for that.[1] [1] https://xkcd.com/1235/ https://xkcd.com/1235/
      - itsanaccount 1y ago
        https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1mjuunh/strange_object_captured_over_malvern_hills/ https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1mjuunh/strange_objec... and in 2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHpxjuX-rDM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHpxjuX-rDM and in 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOBQGn7GzLg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOBQGn7GzLg tip of the iceberg. of course 95% of these are balloons, rolling shutter cameras, insects close to the lens, etc etc. like this is probably a balloon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNlwvV7_6l4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNlwvV7_6l4 But out of that misreporting rate which has remained more or less the same since Project Blue Book, there bubble up some decent evidence of worldwide, fast moving, sometimes glowing orbs. And the folks with infrared and radar sensors are more convinced of it than those with access to random cameras. Since that comic was posted, bigfoot, ghosts and the like have fallen out of reporting by the general public. UFOs/UAPs have not.
    - ceckGrad 1y ago
      >If UFOs were actually real we would have have a lot of footage of them like we have for everything else that's actually real. Who is the "we" with access to everyone's video recording footage? I don't have access to anyone's camera footage. If I ask a big organization with lots of cameras for unfettered access to their camera footage they will probably tell me to take a long walk off a short pier. If a large military organization has suspicious footage of unidentified objects, they probably don't share it to every outsider who asks for it. Now, some organizations claim to have UFO footage, but I have little reason to take their claims at face value. Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos > we would have have a lot of footage of them like we have for everything else that's actually real. I don't have a lot of footage of narco-submarines or drug cartel headquarters. Does that mean they don't exist? Does something stop being real when cameras stop being pointed at it?
UltraSane 1y ago
I'm mid forties and I've been hearing about UFOs for as long as I can remember and yet there is absolutely no hard evidence for their existence. Thus I conclude they probably don't exist. Same logic applies to Bigfoot.
- itsanaccount 1y ago
  If Grusch and the rest's testimony is to be believed, you hear about UFOs yet find no evidence because the evidence is difficult to obtain and has actively, intentionally been subject to a multi-decades long disinformation campaign where none of it can be validated. Which is one helluva whopper to believe, I very much understand. But I think we are slowly getting real scientific evidence. I'm looking forward to this paper being peer reviewed about transient contacts in pre-sputnik sky surveys that then disappeared. The "orbs" are the single most reliable phenomenon that you can find good evidence for and the point on which has captured my own belief. Beyond that I can prove nothing but am super interested in what we find out. https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-6347224/v1 https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-6347224/v1
itsanaccount 1y ago
I appreciate you well defining the standard.

igor47 1y ago

Absolutely! The entire UFO phenomenon is just edging its true believers, or like dubstep that takes infinitely long to get to the drop. Always there's something that's about to be revealed or blow the whole thing open, but then it's just more rumors and hearsay and blurry videos of not quite anything.

Animats 1y ago
There are serious people studying UFOs. There are also a lot of people flying around a lot of weird drones. Reports of triangular objects going really fast may be one of these.[1] It's even possible to hover one of those, standing on its tail, with the proper control system. There are some people pushing an open source UFO detection system, which is basically a dome surveillance camera pointed upward, connected to tracking software.[2] They have lots of videos. Airplanes, helicopters, hawks, even the International Space Station. 117 sites worldwide, supposedly. No major discoveries yet. Not well coordinated, though. They need to get the same target from two or three viewpoints. That gets you range, and resolves most reflection-type illusions. So you need a few in each city-sized area. Data reduction should be coordinated with ADS-B data, to ident aircraft. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVNIWuLs_7E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVNIWuLs_7E [2] https://ufodap.com/ https://ufodap.com/
- XorNot 1y ago
  That's actually really cool though, and is the sort of creativity that you'd like to see some out of these things more often because it has genuinely useful applications.
- UltraSane 1y ago
  There are billions of HD video recording devices in the world today. If UFOs were actually real we would have have a lot of footage of them like we have for everything else that's actually real.
  - Animats 1y ago
    XKCD for that.[1] [1] https://xkcd.com/1235/ https://xkcd.com/1235/
    - itsanaccount 1y ago
      https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1mjuunh/strange_object_captured_over_malvern_hills/ https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1mjuunh/strange_objec... and in 2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHpxjuX-rDM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHpxjuX-rDM and in 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOBQGn7GzLg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOBQGn7GzLg tip of the iceberg. of course 95% of these are balloons, rolling shutter cameras, insects close to the lens, etc etc. like this is probably a balloon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNlwvV7_6l4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNlwvV7_6l4 But out of that misreporting rate which has remained more or less the same since Project Blue Book, there bubble up some decent evidence of worldwide, fast moving, sometimes glowing orbs. And the folks with infrared and radar sensors are more convinced of it than those with access to random cameras. Since that comic was posted, bigfoot, ghosts and the like have fallen out of reporting by the general public. UFOs/UAPs have not.
  - ceckGrad 1y ago
    >If UFOs were actually real we would have have a lot of footage of them like we have for everything else that's actually real. Who is the "we" with access to everyone's video recording footage? I don't have access to anyone's camera footage. If I ask a big organization with lots of cameras for unfettered access to their camera footage they will probably tell me to take a long walk off a short pier. If a large military organization has suspicious footage of unidentified objects, they probably don't share it to every outsider who asks for it. Now, some organizations claim to have UFO footage, but I have little reason to take their claims at face value. Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos > we would have have a lot of footage of them like we have for everything else that's actually real. I don't have a lot of footage of narco-submarines or drug cartel headquarters. Does that mean they don't exist? Does something stop being real when cameras stop being pointed at it?

UltraSane 1y ago

I'm mid forties and I've been hearing about UFOs for as long as I can remember and yet there is absolutely no hard evidence for their existence. Thus I conclude they probably don't exist. Same logic applies to Bigfoot.

itsanaccount 1y ago
If Grusch and the rest's testimony is to be believed, you hear about UFOs yet find no evidence because the evidence is difficult to obtain and has actively, intentionally been subject to a multi-decades long disinformation campaign where none of it can be validated. Which is one helluva whopper to believe, I very much understand. But I think we are slowly getting real scientific evidence. I'm looking forward to this paper being peer reviewed about transient contacts in pre-sputnik sky surveys that then disappeared. The "orbs" are the single most reliable phenomenon that you can find good evidence for and the point on which has captured my own belief. Beyond that I can prove nothing but am super interested in what we find out. https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-6347224/v1 https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-6347224/v1

itsanaccount 1y ago

I appreciate you well defining the standard.