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“It makes me uncomfortable. It’s an invasion of my privacy” That's bullshit. Its not by any means a invasion of privacy since you're in a school, which may alr

“It makes me uncomfortable. It’s an invasion of my privacy” That's bullshit. Its not by any means a invasion of privacy since you're in a school, which may already have cameras to track you. This is for the good of the students. Here in Brazil we have these and they are great for the school and the students, no invasion of privacy, and helps the school to know if you're in or out.

ddorian43 14y ago
So is there a big benefit for the school to know if your in or out ? Any other benefit ?
dudeanon842 14y ago
Since you are in a school, you don't have any privacy? That's the bullshit. Students shouldn't be treated like inmates.
Schwolop 14y ago
What's the benefit to the students?
- Jach 14y ago
  Increased safety, increased privacy[1], and more efficiency. [1] My school uses RFID-equipped ID badges, unfortunately they don't use them for attendance. (They should--right now people just sign an attendance sheet.) But one of their nicest uses is restrictive access based on degree program. Only computer engineers can get in the computer engineering lab, only masters' students can get in labs dedicated for masters' students, and so on.
  - EliRivers 14y ago
    I recall one of the most interesting and intellectually-stimulating aspects of university was going into lectures/labs/libraries of other degree subjects. Restricting access like this is not to increase privacy, whatever that means in this context (what, you only want privacy from people not doing the same degree?); it's a means of putting everyone into neat little boxes to make admin easier, and an attempt to placate the almighty Gods of Security.
daurnimator 14y ago
"since you're in a school, which may already have cameras to track you" I think most people would think thats an invasion of privacy too
acabal 14y ago
This post is a great example of how rights are eroded slowly. 20 years ago having cameras tracking your every move in a school would have been a strange proposition, and a system to precisely track and record your every move on campus would have been considered insane. Today cameras are accepted as normal, and a tracking system doesn't sound so bad anymore. Really scary stuff. If you told a person 20 years ago that the government would be taking naked pictures of you before you got on an airplane, they wouldn't have believed you. Now our children will grow up thinking that's normal, and when their kids have to agree to have a government-owned tracking camera installed in their homes to verify their behavior one month prior to their flight, that will not seem so outrageous either.
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- jfoutz 14y ago
  Schools have always taken attendance, and not being able to locate a specific student at a random time is, well, bad. If Principal Vernon didn't catch you, did you still break the rules? The house camera thing sounds expensive.
  - acabal 14y ago
    Schools have also managed to more or less solve the problem for centuries already without cameras or RFID tracking. House cameras do sound expensive. They also sound ridiculous. But just a few years ago, mandatory naked pictures of your body before boarding a plane also sounded ridiculous. And they cost $170,000 each[1], which I imagine doesn't include maintenance and salaries for the operators. That sounds expensive. [1] http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/20/a-few-facts-about-tsas-full-body-scanners/ http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/20/a-few-facts-about-tsas-ful...
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ddorian43 14y ago

So is there a big benefit for the school to know if your in or out ? Any other benefit ?

dudeanon842 14y ago

Since you are in a school, you don't have any privacy? That's the bullshit. Students shouldn't be treated like inmates.

Schwolop 14y ago

What's the benefit to the students?

Jach 14y ago
Increased safety, increased privacy[1], and more efficiency. [1] My school uses RFID-equipped ID badges, unfortunately they don't use them for attendance. (They should--right now people just sign an attendance sheet.) But one of their nicest uses is restrictive access based on degree program. Only computer engineers can get in the computer engineering lab, only masters' students can get in labs dedicated for masters' students, and so on.
- EliRivers 14y ago
  I recall one of the most interesting and intellectually-stimulating aspects of university was going into lectures/labs/libraries of other degree subjects. Restricting access like this is not to increase privacy, whatever that means in this context (what, you only want privacy from people not doing the same degree?); it's a means of putting everyone into neat little boxes to make admin easier, and an attempt to placate the almighty Gods of Security.

daurnimator 14y ago

"since you're in a school, which may already have cameras to track you" I think most people would think thats an invasion of privacy too

acabal 14y ago

This post is a great example of how rights are eroded slowly. 20 years ago having cameras tracking your every move in a school would have been a strange proposition, and a system to precisely track and record your every move on campus would have been considered insane. Today cameras are accepted as normal, and a tracking system doesn't sound so bad anymore. Really scary stuff. If you told a person 20 years ago that the government would be taking naked pictures of you before you got on an airplane, they wouldn't have believed you. Now our children will grow up thinking that's normal, and when their kids have to agree to have a government-owned tracking camera installed in their homes to verify their behavior one month prior to their flight, that will not seem so outrageous either.

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jfoutz 14y ago
Schools have always taken attendance, and not being able to locate a specific student at a random time is, well, bad. If Principal Vernon didn't catch you, did you still break the rules? The house camera thing sounds expensive.
- acabal 14y ago
  Schools have also managed to more or less solve the problem for centuries already without cameras or RFID tracking. House cameras do sound expensive. They also sound ridiculous. But just a few years ago, mandatory naked pictures of your body before boarding a plane also sounded ridiculous. And they cost $170,000 each[1], which I imagine doesn't include maintenance and salaries for the operators. That sounds expensive. [1] http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/20/a-few-facts-about-tsas-full-body-scanners/ http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/20/a-few-facts-about-tsas-ful...
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  - jfoutz 14y ago