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You expect a perfect success rate against the highest paid lawyers in the world? At least she was trying to enforce antitrust for once. Big is bad bro. There’s

by bix6 1y ago

You expect a perfect success rate against the highest paid lawyers in the world? At least she was trying to enforce antitrust for once. Big is bad bro. There’s like 5 companies carrying the entire S&P rn how is that good for anyone outside of those 5 companies?

richwater 1y ago
> Big is bad bro Using "big" as a synonym for "consumers are worse off than alternatives" does not do anyone justice. > At least she was trying to enforce antitrust for once. Her prejudice against big tech and pretty much ignoring any other industries is not something to be proud of.
- redserk 1y ago
  Big tech has been ignored for quite some time compared to other industries.
- nicoburns 1y ago
  Big doesn't necessarily mean that consumers will be worse off than small. Just like having a dictator doesn't neccesarily mean that citizens will be worse off then in a democracy. What it does mean in both cases is that if the powerful entity decides to abuse their power for their own gain, it's very difficult (albeit not entirely impossible) to do anything about it. It's therefore better in the long-run to preempt this and bias towards smaller entities that are each less powerful.
- bix6 1y ago
  I’m unclear what your first point is saying FTC under her blocked Kroger/Albertsons, blocked Tapestry/Capri, ended non-competes, enacted click to cancel, made major strides on right to repair, etc. in addition to all the “prejudice against big tech” which are the titans of industry right now…
- lemoncookiechip 1y ago
  - Three major court wins (Illumina, Tapestry/Capri, Kroger/Albertsons), multiple deals dropped. -Over $1.5B refunded. Significant settlements (Epic, MoneyGram, Amazon delivery drivers, etc.) - Junk-fees ban, click-to-cancel rule (You can thank the current administration for walking back on this), non-compete ban. -Right to repair, data privacy enforcement, health-care pricing interventions ( reduced out-of-pocket costs for inhalers and insulin).
- jeffbee 1y ago
  Under Khan, the FTC has abandoned the standard of consumer harm, and now just blocks mergers based on vibes. I really liked this article criticizing her approach: https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/the-ftcs-antitrust-overreach-is-hurting-us-competitiveness-and-destroying-value https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/the-ftcs-antitrust-ov...
  - xrd 1y ago
    I stopped reading when they defended Albertsons and Kroger merger. Can anyone defend the consolidation of grocery stores with a straight face? Walmart has obliterated any competition and it has destroyed local food sources everywhere. They can do it at scale that no one can compete with. If the only solution is to further consolidate then we might as well just hand over the government to Walmart.
    - jeffbee 1y ago
      And yet, groceries have never been cheaper. So the question becomes which do you want: consumer benefits, or your aesthetic preferences regarding how big a company should be?
      - xrd 1y ago
        Should jobs be a factor as well? I see a lot of job loss in small town Iowa and Nebraska. I don't live there and people there have definitely voted with their wallets. Food plus quality price index in Japan and France look better to me despite the lack of Walmarts. And, I read some things about price collusion of the major grocers during the pandemic that makes me concerned. I will say, thanks for being a human and discussing this as a human. Too many bots on HN lately.
        jeffbee 1y ago
        You can analyze it on that basis, but it's a political question. Is the grocery industry a jobs program?
      - 1y ago
elefanten 1y ago
Doesn't have to be a perfect success rate... how about just something other than abysmal failure rate? Asserting a sloganized refrain is not very convincing. Make a real argument. Here are some counterpoints to "big is bad" Neobrandeisianism: -Scale enables better economics for certain businesses which consumers and other businesses then benefit from. -Large size allows additional speculative cutting edge R&D funding which the whole world benefits from even if it never pays off. -Being big on its own is almost never a cheat code to permanent monopoly / monopsony lock-in, especially in the technology business. That comes from actual anti-competitive behavior or regulatory capture (which ARE the parts that should be regulated, rather than targeting or preventing size for its own sake). The S&P point is more than a bit overstated and it also doesn't really matter? The subset of the S&P that's performing well will naturally get weighted higher over time, until the performance changes. It doesn't really matter if the S&P is driven by 5 enormous companies or 500 equally-sized ones. Whatever works at the moment is what gets rewarded with capital -- that's the point of the system and it's been more effective than any alternatives. Besides, it'd be poor investing practice to be literally all-in on the S&P.
- bix6 1y ago
  Scale enables big companies like Amazon and Walmart to force anti-competitive vendor and pricing agreements that harm small businesses. Meta is top 10 for DC lobbying. No regulatory capture to see here.
lvl155 1y ago
Big is bad? She went up against Amazon which is literally one company that delivered on lowering costs to consumers. She doesn’t understand the fact that there are NATURAL monopolies outside of utilities. You would know this if your training is more than a couple of intro level courses in economics. And why is it that no one is talking about the biggest vertical and horizontal roll ups in all of corporate America in healthcare? Interesting.

by bix6 1y ago

richwater 1y ago

> Big is bad bro Using "big" as a synonym for "consumers are worse off than alternatives" does not do anyone justice. > At least she was trying to enforce antitrust for once. Her prejudice against big tech and pretty much ignoring any other industries is not something to be proud of.

redserk 1y ago
Big tech has been ignored for quite some time compared to other industries.
nicoburns 1y ago
Big doesn't necessarily mean that consumers will be worse off than small. Just like having a dictator doesn't neccesarily mean that citizens will be worse off then in a democracy. What it does mean in both cases is that if the powerful entity decides to abuse their power for their own gain, it's very difficult (albeit not entirely impossible) to do anything about it. It's therefore better in the long-run to preempt this and bias towards smaller entities that are each less powerful.
bix6 1y ago
I’m unclear what your first point is saying FTC under her blocked Kroger/Albertsons, blocked Tapestry/Capri, ended non-competes, enacted click to cancel, made major strides on right to repair, etc. in addition to all the “prejudice against big tech” which are the titans of industry right now…
lemoncookiechip 1y ago
- Three major court wins (Illumina, Tapestry/Capri, Kroger/Albertsons), multiple deals dropped. -Over $1.5B refunded. Significant settlements (Epic, MoneyGram, Amazon delivery drivers, etc.) - Junk-fees ban, click-to-cancel rule (You can thank the current administration for walking back on this), non-compete ban. -Right to repair, data privacy enforcement, health-care pricing interventions ( reduced out-of-pocket costs for inhalers and insulin).
jeffbee 1y ago
Under Khan, the FTC has abandoned the standard of consumer harm, and now just blocks mergers based on vibes. I really liked this article criticizing her approach: https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/the-ftcs-antitrust-overreach-is-hurting-us-competitiveness-and-destroying-value https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/the-ftcs-antitrust-ov...
- xrd 1y ago
  I stopped reading when they defended Albertsons and Kroger merger. Can anyone defend the consolidation of grocery stores with a straight face? Walmart has obliterated any competition and it has destroyed local food sources everywhere. They can do it at scale that no one can compete with. If the only solution is to further consolidate then we might as well just hand over the government to Walmart.
  - jeffbee 1y ago
    And yet, groceries have never been cheaper. So the question becomes which do you want: consumer benefits, or your aesthetic preferences regarding how big a company should be?
    - xrd 1y ago
      Should jobs be a factor as well? I see a lot of job loss in small town Iowa and Nebraska. I don't live there and people there have definitely voted with their wallets. Food plus quality price index in Japan and France look better to me despite the lack of Walmarts. And, I read some things about price collusion of the major grocers during the pandemic that makes me concerned. I will say, thanks for being a human and discussing this as a human. Too many bots on HN lately.
      - jeffbee 1y ago
        You can analyze it on that basis, but it's a political question. Is the grocery industry a jobs program?
    - 1y ago

elefanten 1y ago

Doesn't have to be a perfect success rate... how about just something other than abysmal failure rate? Asserting a sloganized refrain is not very convincing. Make a real argument. Here are some counterpoints to "big is bad" Neobrandeisianism: -Scale enables better economics for certain businesses which consumers and other businesses then benefit from. -Large size allows additional speculative cutting edge R&D funding which the whole world benefits from even if it never pays off. -Being big on its own is almost never a cheat code to permanent monopoly / monopsony lock-in, especially in the technology business. That comes from actual anti-competitive behavior or regulatory capture (which ARE the parts that should be regulated, rather than targeting or preventing size for its own sake). The S&P point is more than a bit overstated and it also doesn't really matter? The subset of the S&P that's performing well will naturally get weighted higher over time, until the performance changes. It doesn't really matter if the S&P is driven by 5 enormous companies or 500 equally-sized ones. Whatever works at the moment is what gets rewarded with capital -- that's the point of the system and it's been more effective than any alternatives. Besides, it'd be poor investing practice to be literally all-in on the S&P.

bix6 1y ago
Scale enables big companies like Amazon and Walmart to force anti-competitive vendor and pricing agreements that harm small businesses. Meta is top 10 for DC lobbying. No regulatory capture to see here.

lvl155 1y ago

Big is bad? She went up against Amazon which is literally one company that delivered on lowering costs to consumers. She doesn’t understand the fact that there are NATURAL monopolies outside of utilities. You would know this if your training is more than a couple of intro level courses in economics. And why is it that no one is talking about the biggest vertical and horizontal roll ups in all of corporate America in healthcare? Interesting.