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25 isn't good? That's what my tiny sedan used to get and I sold it not even 5 years ago.

_kb 1y ago
A Toyota RAV4 (the best calling ICE car in the world) is about half that. They do a hybrid model that’s lower still. The Toyota Corolla (second best selling) is then lower again. US cultural perceptions on fuel efficiency are bonkers.
xboxnolifes 1y ago
25 is terrible highway mileage. When I (USA) had a pickup truck as my daily commuter for a few years 5-10 years back, I got ~22 mpg on "city" roads, and >30 mpg on highways. And that's not considered good.
nsriv 1y ago
Genuinely terrible, a 15 year old Civic handily gets 35mpg highway, a 2025 non-hybrid gets 47+.
- uxp100 1y ago
  A 2025 non-hybrid gets 47+? I don’t think so. That’s pretty close to the EPA rating for the hybrid model.
  - ben_w 1y ago
    15 year old, so c. 2010. I can easily belive it, though the closest Civic mpg report I found was for a 2012-14 model: What is the fuel economy, Honda Civic IX Hatchback 2.2 i-DTEC (150 Hp)? 4.4 l/100 km 53.46 US mpg 64.2 UK mpg 22.73 km/l - https://www.auto-data.net/en/honda-civic-ix-hatchback-2.2-i-dtec-150hp-17145 https://www.auto-data.net/en/honda-civic-ix-hatchback-2.2-i-... I had use of a Renault Megane for a bit, it was getting something a bit better than that: https://www.auto-data.net/en/renault-megane-iii-phase-ii-2012-1.5-dci-110hp-edc-17456 https://www.auto-data.net/en/renault-megane-iii-phase-ii-201... American cars just aren't at all efficient by anyone else's standards.
dhruvrrp 1y ago
My sports sedan gives 25 mpg, and my parent's Toyota hybrid SUV gives 58 mpg.
esskay 1y ago
No, not even close to good. I'm having to convert to US gallons to Imperial here but... My old ICE car was getting approx 50mpg (which is approx 41mpg for you) and was considered poor for its age. My new one (hybrid) is 60mpg (approx 50mpg for you). For a fairly modern car (e.g under 10 years old) in the UK you'd expect at least 40–50 MPG (UK) / 33–42 MPG (US), and even that would be considered on the lower end. Most modern cars are either electric or hybrid here these days so you'd expect 60–100 MPG (UK) / 50–83 MPG (US).
- hedgehog 1y ago
  Few modern gas cars will get over 50 US MPG in city usage. 35 MPG is probably a better estimate for the hybrid fleet which is still much, much better than gas cars of a decade ago.
  - kristo 1y ago
    My 2011 golf gets 40mpg real world mileage. Tiny engine, but I don’t need to impress anyone with my car
    - hedgehog 1y ago
      That's exceptional fuel economy for that car, typical looks like 25-35 MPG. If you are more skilled than average (I'm guessing so), don't have too many short trips, and live somewhere relatively flat no doubt it's doable. Edit: while I was looking I checked out the Prius and RAV4 and it turns out median reported MPG is around 49 and 39 so maybe my intuition is tainted by living in a hillier than average area.
      - kristo 1y ago
        I do live in the Netherlands, and drive conservatively and it is also manual and the smallest engine, all of which might help
rayiner 1y ago
My 2019 subaru forester only gets 27 mpg.

_kb 1y ago

A Toyota RAV4 (the best calling ICE car in the world) is about half that. They do a hybrid model that’s lower still. The Toyota Corolla (second best selling) is then lower again. US cultural perceptions on fuel efficiency are bonkers.

xboxnolifes 1y ago

25 is terrible highway mileage. When I (USA) had a pickup truck as my daily commuter for a few years 5-10 years back, I got ~22 mpg on "city" roads, and >30 mpg on highways. And that's not considered good.

nsriv 1y ago

Genuinely terrible, a 15 year old Civic handily gets 35mpg highway, a 2025 non-hybrid gets 47+.

uxp100 1y ago
A 2025 non-hybrid gets 47+? I don’t think so. That’s pretty close to the EPA rating for the hybrid model.
- ben_w 1y ago
  15 year old, so c. 2010. I can easily belive it, though the closest Civic mpg report I found was for a 2012-14 model: What is the fuel economy, Honda Civic IX Hatchback 2.2 i-DTEC (150 Hp)? 4.4 l/100 km 53.46 US mpg 64.2 UK mpg 22.73 km/l - https://www.auto-data.net/en/honda-civic-ix-hatchback-2.2-i-dtec-150hp-17145 https://www.auto-data.net/en/honda-civic-ix-hatchback-2.2-i-... I had use of a Renault Megane for a bit, it was getting something a bit better than that: https://www.auto-data.net/en/renault-megane-iii-phase-ii-2012-1.5-dci-110hp-edc-17456 https://www.auto-data.net/en/renault-megane-iii-phase-ii-201... American cars just aren't at all efficient by anyone else's standards.

dhruvrrp 1y ago

My sports sedan gives 25 mpg, and my parent's Toyota hybrid SUV gives 58 mpg.

esskay 1y ago

No, not even close to good. I'm having to convert to US gallons to Imperial here but... My old ICE car was getting approx 50mpg (which is approx 41mpg for you) and was considered poor for its age. My new one (hybrid) is 60mpg (approx 50mpg for you). For a fairly modern car (e.g under 10 years old) in the UK you'd expect at least 40–50 MPG (UK) / 33–42 MPG (US), and even that would be considered on the lower end. Most modern cars are either electric or hybrid here these days so you'd expect 60–100 MPG (UK) / 50–83 MPG (US).

hedgehog 1y ago
Few modern gas cars will get over 50 US MPG in city usage. 35 MPG is probably a better estimate for the hybrid fleet which is still much, much better than gas cars of a decade ago.
- kristo 1y ago
  My 2011 golf gets 40mpg real world mileage. Tiny engine, but I don’t need to impress anyone with my car
  - hedgehog 1y ago
    That's exceptional fuel economy for that car, typical looks like 25-35 MPG. If you are more skilled than average (I'm guessing so), don't have too many short trips, and live somewhere relatively flat no doubt it's doable. Edit: while I was looking I checked out the Prius and RAV4 and it turns out median reported MPG is around 49 and 39 so maybe my intuition is tainted by living in a hillier than average area.
    - kristo 1y ago
      I do live in the Netherlands, and drive conservatively and it is also manual and the smallest engine, all of which might help

rayiner 1y ago

My 2019 subaru forester only gets 27 mpg.