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Great, scooters are much less likely to kill pedestrians during collisions. I'm glad more people who didn't actually need 2 ton metal boxes are downsizing to so

Great, scooters are much less likely to kill pedestrians during collisions. I'm glad more people who didn't actually need 2 ton metal boxes are downsizing to something more practical.

ARandomerDude 1y ago
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- peebeebee 1y ago
  Yes. There were no families before carriages… /s A carless society/city is way more family-oriented.
- ccakes 1y ago
  The Nordics aren’t struggling at all in this area, they also have incredibly generous parental leave and subsidised child care systems.
  - celeritascelery 1y ago
    All Nordic countries are well below replacement rates. They are definitely struggling.
    - perching_aix 1y ago
      So is the States with its car culture. Silly point to spiral around I'd say.
- beardicus 1y ago
  yes, famously no society has ever managed to have children without widespread private car ownership.
- ath3nd 1y ago
  > Make it hard for people to have families and society will collapse I used to live in Amsterdam which has a great public transport, great cycling paths, and limits of 30km/h. People are going cycling to school, on dates, and picnic with their families. Associating having a 3 ton gas guzzler as a prerequisite of having a family and a roadblock of "society" is only a question of poor imagination. https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/six-health-lessons-learn-netherlands-110000417.html https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/six-health-lessons-learn-net... There are multiple reasons Americans are obese as hell and living shorter than us Europeans, and driving everywhere is one of it.
  - SoftTalker 1y ago
    Some areas such as Amsterdam though are just naturally more ammenable to walking, cycling, and transit. Cycling in 90+ (F) temperatures with high humidity (very common in the summer in the US midwest or south), or even just walking very far or waiting very long for a bus is pretty miserable. I'd arrive at my destination literally dripping with sweat and really unpresentable.
    - Muromec 1y ago
      Somehow Singapore being 1 degree from the Equator manages to have a bus network, a metro and practically caps the amount of cars on the roads. Also, you seems to underestimate how bad the weather in Amsterdam is. Cycling on a bridge through rain against the wind at 5 degrees (C) isn't very fun either. When I lived in a more hotter climate, 30ish (C) was a-okay for some people to cycle to work and then get a shower at work. It's all about infrastructure really --- be it showers, speed limits or bike paths.
      - SoftTalker 1y ago
        That’s ok if you have showers at work. I’ve never worked anywhere that had that. And now you’re taking multiple showers a day, and washing sweat-soaked clothes more often, using more water. If you are a person who doesn’t tend to sweat a lot it might work out. For me, I sweat profusely and would literally be dripping on the floor and my saturated clothing clinging to me after a bike ride on a hot day.
- jamiek88 1y ago
  This has to be the most American comment ever. Society will collapse no less due to minor inconveniences!!
- CalRobert 1y ago
  Ah yes, because mowing down kids is somehow pro family? I live car free in a Dutch suburb with two small kids and do so specifically so our kids could have a better life than crappy American suburbia.
throwaway998772 1y ago
Great, now I'll have the 0.02% chance of surviving a collision with a scooter that slaloms on any possible walkable terrain, instead of a 0.01% chance of surviving a collision with a car that won't hit me because they don't drive on sidewalks.
- connicpu 1y ago
  Scooters shouldn't feel the need to drive on sidewalks when the speed limit is 30km/h
  - gs17 1y ago
    They do it for the same reason cyclists do it. They value their safety and comfort over the pedestrians'. Riding in the road means cars, riding on the sidewalk means people who will jump out of your way.

Great, scooters are much less likely to kill pedestrians during collisions. I'm glad more people who didn't actually need 2 ton metal boxes are downsizing to something more practical.

ARandomerDude 1y ago

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peebeebee 1y ago
Yes. There were no families before carriages… /s A carless society/city is way more family-oriented.
ccakes 1y ago
The Nordics aren’t struggling at all in this area, they also have incredibly generous parental leave and subsidised child care systems.
- celeritascelery 1y ago
  All Nordic countries are well below replacement rates. They are definitely struggling.
  - perching_aix 1y ago
    So is the States with its car culture. Silly point to spiral around I'd say.
beardicus 1y ago
yes, famously no society has ever managed to have children without widespread private car ownership.
ath3nd 1y ago
> Make it hard for people to have families and society will collapse I used to live in Amsterdam which has a great public transport, great cycling paths, and limits of 30km/h. People are going cycling to school, on dates, and picnic with their families. Associating having a 3 ton gas guzzler as a prerequisite of having a family and a roadblock of "society" is only a question of poor imagination. https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/six-health-lessons-learn-netherlands-110000417.html https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/six-health-lessons-learn-net... There are multiple reasons Americans are obese as hell and living shorter than us Europeans, and driving everywhere is one of it.
- SoftTalker 1y ago
  Some areas such as Amsterdam though are just naturally more ammenable to walking, cycling, and transit. Cycling in 90+ (F) temperatures with high humidity (very common in the summer in the US midwest or south), or even just walking very far or waiting very long for a bus is pretty miserable. I'd arrive at my destination literally dripping with sweat and really unpresentable.
  - Muromec 1y ago
    Somehow Singapore being 1 degree from the Equator manages to have a bus network, a metro and practically caps the amount of cars on the roads. Also, you seems to underestimate how bad the weather in Amsterdam is. Cycling on a bridge through rain against the wind at 5 degrees (C) isn't very fun either. When I lived in a more hotter climate, 30ish (C) was a-okay for some people to cycle to work and then get a shower at work. It's all about infrastructure really --- be it showers, speed limits or bike paths.
    - SoftTalker 1y ago
      That’s ok if you have showers at work. I’ve never worked anywhere that had that. And now you’re taking multiple showers a day, and washing sweat-soaked clothes more often, using more water. If you are a person who doesn’t tend to sweat a lot it might work out. For me, I sweat profusely and would literally be dripping on the floor and my saturated clothing clinging to me after a bike ride on a hot day.
jamiek88 1y ago
This has to be the most American comment ever. Society will collapse no less due to minor inconveniences!!
CalRobert 1y ago
Ah yes, because mowing down kids is somehow pro family? I live car free in a Dutch suburb with two small kids and do so specifically so our kids could have a better life than crappy American suburbia.

throwaway998772 1y ago

Great, now I'll have the 0.02% chance of surviving a collision with a scooter that slaloms on any possible walkable terrain, instead of a 0.01% chance of surviving a collision with a car that won't hit me because they don't drive on sidewalks.

connicpu 1y ago
Scooters shouldn't feel the need to drive on sidewalks when the speed limit is 30km/h
- gs17 1y ago
  They do it for the same reason cyclists do it. They value their safety and comfort over the pedestrians'. Riding in the road means cars, riding on the sidewalk means people who will jump out of your way.