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There are positive physical and mental change that happen with more intensive cardio and with resistance training that you can't get from walking no matter how

There are positive physical and mental change that happen with more intensive cardio and with resistance training that you can't get from walking no matter how much you walk. And there's nothing herculian about those modes of exercise.

OldfieldFund 1y ago
long-term evidence isn't clear at all for the benefit of these
- gooodvibes 1y ago
  You're wrong about this. It's very clear, and some of the evidence is presented in the original article here.
  - datameta 1y ago
    I wouldn't like the takeaway from my comment to be that any extra intensity beyond daily walking is wasted. Instead my point is that for some, walking is one of the few exercises within reach that is sustainable with low injury risk. I am also saying that for those new to the gym, starting with say 10-20 minutes every day is better in the long run than 1-1.5 hours three times a week before the body is acclimated or before proper form is developed. This lowers the risk of injury that could set back the health improvement endeavor.
const_cast 1y ago
This is true, but it doesn't matter if people don't do it. The danger of hyper-optimization is people just giving up altogether. That's why a lot of those intense diets don't work. Does Keto work? Yes. But does it actually? No. Because being on Keto is very, very hard and people just give up. The vast majority of people who start Keto will not stick to it. But switching out soda for diet soda is easy. So, if I'm inclined to give suggestions, I'd rather suggest that.
- gooodvibes 1y ago
  I'm not suggesting hyper-optimization. I'm suggesting a basic exercise program which includes resistance training and cardio.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    For some, perhaps many or even most, that is a hyper-optimization IMO.
    - gooodvibes 1y ago
      Hyper-...? I don't think you get how optimized and hyper-optimized exercise can get. I'm talking about the basics. For anyone who wants to get benefit from exercise. If you think you're getting those benefits in some other way, you're lying to yourself or you don't understand what we're talking about.
      - const_cast 1y ago
        Okay, whatever, this is just bad advice for people who don't exercise. Giving advice isn't an opportunity to brag - take it down a notch. I'm sure you're very cool and everyone likes you. But, for most Americans, they need to be walking. The rest can come later. Sorry superman.
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OldfieldFund 1y ago

long-term evidence isn't clear at all for the benefit of these

gooodvibes 1y ago
You're wrong about this. It's very clear, and some of the evidence is presented in the original article here.
- datameta 1y ago
  I wouldn't like the takeaway from my comment to be that any extra intensity beyond daily walking is wasted. Instead my point is that for some, walking is one of the few exercises within reach that is sustainable with low injury risk. I am also saying that for those new to the gym, starting with say 10-20 minutes every day is better in the long run than 1-1.5 hours three times a week before the body is acclimated or before proper form is developed. This lowers the risk of injury that could set back the health improvement endeavor.

const_cast 1y ago

This is true, but it doesn't matter if people don't do it. The danger of hyper-optimization is people just giving up altogether. That's why a lot of those intense diets don't work. Does Keto work? Yes. But does it actually? No. Because being on Keto is very, very hard and people just give up. The vast majority of people who start Keto will not stick to it. But switching out soda for diet soda is easy. So, if I'm inclined to give suggestions, I'd rather suggest that.

gooodvibes 1y ago
I'm not suggesting hyper-optimization. I'm suggesting a basic exercise program which includes resistance training and cardio.
- const_cast 1y ago
  For some, perhaps many or even most, that is a hyper-optimization IMO.
  - gooodvibes 1y ago
    Hyper-...? I don't think you get how optimized and hyper-optimized exercise can get. I'm talking about the basics. For anyone who wants to get benefit from exercise. If you think you're getting those benefits in some other way, you're lying to yourself or you don't understand what we're talking about.
    - const_cast 1y ago
      Okay, whatever, this is just bad advice for people who don't exercise. Giving advice isn't an opportunity to brag - take it down a notch. I'm sure you're very cool and everyone likes you. But, for most Americans, they need to be walking. The rest can come later. Sorry superman.
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