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The Framework keyboard is precisely why I haven’t bought one. The mixed height arrow key thing sucked on the touchbar MacBook Pros, they suck on FWs too. The se

by wpm 1y ago

The Framework keyboard is precisely why I haven’t bought one. The mixed height arrow key thing sucked on the touchbar MacBook Pros, they suck on FWs too. The second the 13 gets a normal inverted T, I buy one. In the meantime, I’m waiting on a display converter board to show up from China so I can install a modernish 1440p display in my T420.

mananaysiempre 1y ago
The “normal” inverted T is just another variation of the same suckage as far as I’m concerned (slightly worse, if anything, because I tend to wear away the paint—and eventually plastic—on a tiny left-arrow key faster than on a normal one). Look at the photos in TFA[1] for how good arrow keys are arranged. [1] e.g. https://regmedia.co.uk/2025/07/30/hill7.jpg https://regmedia.co.uk/2025/07/30/hill7.jpg (the presence of a Break key almost makes me cry)
- normie3000 1y ago
  > https://regmedia.co.uk/2025/07/30/hill7.jpg https://regmedia.co.uk/2025/07/30/hill7.jpg Doesn't this photo show an inverted T?
  - notpushkin 1y ago
    I think a “normal” inverted T consists of half-height keys (i.e. used on most current laptops). ThinkPads used slightly higher arrow keys for a while, not sure about now.
    - layer8 1y ago
      A normal inverted T is what is on a standard desktop PC keyboard: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Arrow_keys.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Arrow_ke... While half-height arrow keys have become common on laptops, that's probably not what GP (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44769440 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44769440) meant by "normal". ThinkPads generally use slightly smaller keys for the arrow keys, but still significantly taller than half-height, like for example here: https://p3-ofp.static.pub/ShareResource/560x450/SSNP/4Y40X49493/4Y40X49493-560x450-01.8449bcbf5e5aa641.png https://p3-ofp.static.pub/ShareResource/560x450/SSNP/4Y40X49... What people really want is a full-height inverted T like on this Lenovo gaming laptop: https://p1-ofp.static.pub//fes/cms/2025/05/21/uft1eixrszorypehb4ern6ol5r2lur937054.png https://p1-ofp.static.pub//fes/cms/2025/05/21/uft1eixrszoryp...
resize2996 1y ago
What should I be doing with my x220? Where are the good thinkpad resources these days.

by wpm 1y ago

mananaysiempre 1y ago

The “normal” inverted T is just another variation of the same suckage as far as I’m concerned (slightly worse, if anything, because I tend to wear away the paint—and eventually plastic—on a tiny left-arrow key faster than on a normal one). Look at the photos in TFA[1] for how good arrow keys are arranged. [1] e.g. https://regmedia.co.uk/2025/07/30/hill7.jpg https://regmedia.co.uk/2025/07/30/hill7.jpg (the presence of a Break key almost makes me cry)

normie3000 1y ago
> https://regmedia.co.uk/2025/07/30/hill7.jpg https://regmedia.co.uk/2025/07/30/hill7.jpg Doesn't this photo show an inverted T?
- notpushkin 1y ago
  I think a “normal” inverted T consists of half-height keys (i.e. used on most current laptops). ThinkPads used slightly higher arrow keys for a while, not sure about now.
  - layer8 1y ago
    A normal inverted T is what is on a standard desktop PC keyboard: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Arrow_keys.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Arrow_ke... While half-height arrow keys have become common on laptops, that's probably not what GP (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44769440 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44769440) meant by "normal". ThinkPads generally use slightly smaller keys for the arrow keys, but still significantly taller than half-height, like for example here: https://p3-ofp.static.pub/ShareResource/560x450/SSNP/4Y40X49493/4Y40X49493-560x450-01.8449bcbf5e5aa641.png https://p3-ofp.static.pub/ShareResource/560x450/SSNP/4Y40X49... What people really want is a full-height inverted T like on this Lenovo gaming laptop: https://p1-ofp.static.pub//fes/cms/2025/05/21/uft1eixrszorypehb4ern6ol5r2lur937054.png https://p1-ofp.static.pub//fes/cms/2025/05/21/uft1eixrszoryp...

resize2996 1y ago

What should I be doing with my x220? Where are the good thinkpad resources these days.