4 ms·

You can't think of anything you'd want to do with your daytime hours other than work?

gchamonlive 1y ago
Have you tried doing anything other than work that isn't consuming something? I have, from drawing to music, from writing novels to doing programming projects on my free time. It's not very fun, you aren't good at most of it and it's very frustrating. It's also very rewarding being able to overcome limitations and building up skills. But it's first and foremost very demanding. You can't expect someone that just got retired to suddenly spark in creative energy, even if they intimately wanted to do everything.
- HPsquared 1y ago
  That's still work, it's just self-directed and not for selling to the general market. Same as how exercising is work.
  - gchamonlive 1y ago
    What isn't work then?
    - HPsquared 1y ago
      Watching Netflix I suppose. Sleeping (although I'm sure some get paid for that in the right circumstance) ... Even watching Netflix could be a slog if you're doing it for some purpose (e.g. to clue up on cultural references) and it's an exertion of effort.
      - gchamonlive 1y ago
        Don't you agree that this limits a lot the perspective of what you do when you retire, if retiring means not working anymore? Maybe we agree that it's all work, but there are types of work that even though they're frustrating, they are also rewarding in specific ways that is interesting for those that retire.
        HPsquared 1y ago
        Retiring is just retiring from employment. I suppose I'm drawing a distinction between formal employment and all forms of work. Yardwork is a nice example enjoyed by retirees.
yunwal 1y ago
Personally if I do anything for 8+ hours a day 5 days a week it starts to feel like a job around 2 or 3 months in no matter how much I love it, and if I do much less than that I start to feel lacking in structure and progress. I’ve gone through extended periods of unemployment (by choice, not in a stressful way) before, and it’s wonderful but by month 3 I’m always kinda over it. Retirement for me will probably look pretty much the same as working except I won’t necessarily pick a job that pays well.

Have you tried doing anything other than work that isn't consuming something? I have, from drawing to music, from writing novels to doing programming projects on my free time. It's not very fun, you aren't good at most of it and it's very frustrating. It's also very rewarding being able to overcome limitations and building up skills. But it's first and foremost very demanding. You can't expect someone that just got retired to suddenly spark in creative energy, even if they intimately wanted to do everything.

HPsquared 1y ago
That's still work, it's just self-directed and not for selling to the general market. Same as how exercising is work.
- gchamonlive 1y ago
  What isn't work then?
  - HPsquared 1y ago
    Watching Netflix I suppose. Sleeping (although I'm sure some get paid for that in the right circumstance) ... Even watching Netflix could be a slog if you're doing it for some purpose (e.g. to clue up on cultural references) and it's an exertion of effort.
    - gchamonlive 1y ago
      Don't you agree that this limits a lot the perspective of what you do when you retire, if retiring means not working anymore? Maybe we agree that it's all work, but there are types of work that even though they're frustrating, they are also rewarding in specific ways that is interesting for those that retire.
      - HPsquared 1y ago
        Retiring is just retiring from employment. I suppose I'm drawing a distinction between formal employment and all forms of work. Yardwork is a nice example enjoyed by retirees.

yunwal 1y ago

Personally if I do anything for 8+ hours a day 5 days a week it starts to feel like a job around 2 or 3 months in no matter how much I love it, and if I do much less than that I start to feel lacking in structure and progress. I’ve gone through extended periods of unemployment (by choice, not in a stressful way) before, and it’s wonderful but by month 3 I’m always kinda over it. Retirement for me will probably look pretty much the same as working except I won’t necessarily pick a job that pays well.