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The library has become a place for drugs addicts and homeless people who use the free computers to look at porn. It’s no longer a nice or safe place to go.

SoftTalker 1y ago
This is true where I live also. This feral subset of the homeless are ruining every nice public space that we used to have. Libraries, parks, trails. Patience and tolerance is wearing thin; everything that is tried to help them is just abused and shit on (often literally). More and more people are starting to say no, we don't want to tolerate this behavior here, if that's how you want to live then do it somewhere else.
- esseph 1y ago
  Reading this makes me extremely nihilistic about humanity.
  - newsclues 1y ago
    My nihilism is exacerbated by the people who are actively making the problem worse and viciously attacking anyone who criticizes the problem or proposes solutions. IMO some activists are exploiting homeless people and drug addicts for power and profit.
    - esseph 1y ago
      I think your last sentence is full of shit, and I'm not even saying it's wrong. What I am saying is that even if "activists" are doing... whatever, I kinda don't give a fuck? These are people. Human beings. The only shit people seem to give is to get them out of their sight and make them somebody else's problem.
      - newsclues 1y ago
        You don't care that people exploit other humans beings for power and profit? https://apnews.com/article/los-angeles-homeless-audit-spending-transparency-45a5aa98fc0d4ff88a08b8ad43b530a6 https://apnews.com/article/los-angeles-homeless-audit-spendi... https://invisiblepeople.tv/unveiling-corruption-the-dark-reality-of-homeless-shelter-contracts/ https://invisiblepeople.tv/unveiling-corruption-the-dark-rea... You are right, the people being exploited are human beings, and rather than working to end the suffering, some people end up prolonging the suffering and creating more of it, because fixing problems ends the flow of funds and power. You aren't refuting what I am saying, you only seem to justify corruption and incompetence because the apparent intention is noble.
        esseph 1y ago
        What I'm saying is whatever "activists" are doing or saying is often an excuse for others to continue to ignore the ugly problem. This is not limited to one locality. What I am interested in is long term support and funding for workable, humane solutions. These things require bipartisan support at the state and federal level (rooting out many of the causes and aiding homeless prevention), and I'm pretty sure that's fucking toast.
        newsclues 1y ago
        What I am saying is is there is part of the activist movement (at the top) that is either incompetent or corrupt and have no interest in solving problems efficiently and often make them worse, because the incentives are not aligned. Problem solving would cut off revenue and salaries.
        esseph 1y ago
        You're talking about a tiny group of people, inconsequential in the grand scheme. They are irrelevant distractions. Shipping people around the country sure as fuck isn't helping.
      - badpun 1y ago
- fzeroracer 1y ago
  If my fellow Americans hated the rich people that are responsible for all of these homeless individuals half as much as they do said homeless then American wouldn't be half as fucked as it is right now. The homeless problem is all downstream of shit like the Sacklers pushing opioids and creating millions of addicts for profit. Yet they avoided jail and even can start up new businesses.
Aurornis 1y ago
Your city sounds depressing. Mine (US) is not like this at all. The libraries near me are not like this at all. One library has some homeless people but anyone being disruptive is quickly removed. We take the kids to the libraries all the time and it’s fine.
- egypturnash 1y ago
  There's a lot of this. Seattle's main library was explicitly built with the awareness that libraries are one of the few places homeless people can get out of the weather for a while, and has an entire floor full of public-use computers with a lot of pointers to what little social safety net remains.
- newsclues 1y ago
  The depressing part isn’t that it’s happening, but that it continues to occur despite objections, because the “progressive” activists shame any objects and stop any plans or discourse to rectify the problem.
  - rightbyte 1y ago
    I think it is quite pointless to blame activists for a deep systematic problem with our culture. It is like an excuse.
    - lotsofpulp 1y ago
      The activists should be blamed for causing disruption at the local level for a problem that can only be solved at the federal level. There isn’t a thing Seattle can do to fix drug addiction/mental health/housing costs (it will remain a high priced local for the foreseeable future). So why should the people of Seattle fall on their sword because the rest of the country won’t get their act together? In fact, the rest of the country loved that activists in certain cities take on the brunt of the problem, as it lowers their costs.
      - rightbyte 1y ago

SoftTalker 1y ago

This is true where I live also. This feral subset of the homeless are ruining every nice public space that we used to have. Libraries, parks, trails. Patience and tolerance is wearing thin; everything that is tried to help them is just abused and shit on (often literally). More and more people are starting to say no, we don't want to tolerate this behavior here, if that's how you want to live then do it somewhere else.

esseph 1y ago
Reading this makes me extremely nihilistic about humanity.
- newsclues 1y ago
  My nihilism is exacerbated by the people who are actively making the problem worse and viciously attacking anyone who criticizes the problem or proposes solutions. IMO some activists are exploiting homeless people and drug addicts for power and profit.
  - esseph 1y ago
    I think your last sentence is full of shit, and I'm not even saying it's wrong. What I am saying is that even if "activists" are doing... whatever, I kinda don't give a fuck? These are people. Human beings. The only shit people seem to give is to get them out of their sight and make them somebody else's problem.
    - newsclues 1y ago
      You don't care that people exploit other humans beings for power and profit? https://apnews.com/article/los-angeles-homeless-audit-spending-transparency-45a5aa98fc0d4ff88a08b8ad43b530a6 https://apnews.com/article/los-angeles-homeless-audit-spendi... https://invisiblepeople.tv/unveiling-corruption-the-dark-reality-of-homeless-shelter-contracts/ https://invisiblepeople.tv/unveiling-corruption-the-dark-rea... You are right, the people being exploited are human beings, and rather than working to end the suffering, some people end up prolonging the suffering and creating more of it, because fixing problems ends the flow of funds and power. You aren't refuting what I am saying, you only seem to justify corruption and incompetence because the apparent intention is noble.
      - esseph 1y ago
        What I'm saying is whatever "activists" are doing or saying is often an excuse for others to continue to ignore the ugly problem. This is not limited to one locality. What I am interested in is long term support and funding for workable, humane solutions. These things require bipartisan support at the state and federal level (rooting out many of the causes and aiding homeless prevention), and I'm pretty sure that's fucking toast.
        newsclues 1y ago
        What I am saying is is there is part of the activist movement (at the top) that is either incompetent or corrupt and have no interest in solving problems efficiently and often make them worse, because the incentives are not aligned. Problem solving would cut off revenue and salaries.
        esseph 1y ago
        You're talking about a tiny group of people, inconsequential in the grand scheme. They are irrelevant distractions. Shipping people around the country sure as fuck isn't helping.
    - badpun 1y ago
fzeroracer 1y ago
If my fellow Americans hated the rich people that are responsible for all of these homeless individuals half as much as they do said homeless then American wouldn't be half as fucked as it is right now. The homeless problem is all downstream of shit like the Sacklers pushing opioids and creating millions of addicts for profit. Yet they avoided jail and even can start up new businesses.

Aurornis 1y ago

Your city sounds depressing. Mine (US) is not like this at all. The libraries near me are not like this at all. One library has some homeless people but anyone being disruptive is quickly removed. We take the kids to the libraries all the time and it’s fine.

egypturnash 1y ago
There's a lot of this. Seattle's main library was explicitly built with the awareness that libraries are one of the few places homeless people can get out of the weather for a while, and has an entire floor full of public-use computers with a lot of pointers to what little social safety net remains.
newsclues 1y ago
The depressing part isn’t that it’s happening, but that it continues to occur despite objections, because the “progressive” activists shame any objects and stop any plans or discourse to rectify the problem.
- rightbyte 1y ago
  I think it is quite pointless to blame activists for a deep systematic problem with our culture. It is like an excuse.
  - lotsofpulp 1y ago
    The activists should be blamed for causing disruption at the local level for a problem that can only be solved at the federal level. There isn’t a thing Seattle can do to fix drug addiction/mental health/housing costs (it will remain a high priced local for the foreseeable future). So why should the people of Seattle fall on their sword because the rest of the country won’t get their act together? In fact, the rest of the country loved that activists in certain cities take on the brunt of the problem, as it lowers their costs.
    - rightbyte 1y ago