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Most of the guys in the LB project don't use LLM's, even though it extremely spec-driven, because C++ is not great with AI for some reason.

by net01 1y ago

hyperbolablabla 1y ago
But Andreas does fairly heavily, if you watch his code VODs you see that he leans on copilot often.
- rzzzt 1y ago
  With some "Thank you, Copilot"-s sprinkled in to spare him in the robot uprising universe.
- SpecialistK 1y ago
  I haven't watched the VODs myself but I am curious as to the nature of the Copilot use - is it a fancy autocomplete, a 2nd look at code he's already written, or is it generating large parts of the code? The SerenityOS project literally has "NIH syndrome" at its core ["the SerenityOS project, which has a strong culture of writing everything from scratch.", https://ladybird.org/#faq https://ladybird.org/#faq] so I would expect a degree of skepticism of AI code generation. But there was the post semi-recently about Cloudflare developers shipping a mostly-AI-generated software, overseen by real devs [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44159166 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44159166] Perhaps Andreas' use of Copilot is a similar thing, where he saves keystrokes and finds errors in the generated output with his own experience. I'll go watch some VODs.
  - xdfgh1112 1y ago
    Most of it was written without LLMs for that reason, but now Ladybird is its own project, the NIH focus has largely gone away. They are using a lot of third party code now. Their mission is compete with Chrome, not be 100% NIH.
    - lttlrck 1y ago
      With "No code from other browsers" which in a browser must mean most of the code is largely written from scratch?
      - xdfgh1112 1y ago
        The original project did everything from scratch. Video/audio decoding, SSL, font rendering, etc. a huge portion of the code. They're still not using existing browser code because being an independent implementation of the web standards is a key goal. They've found bugs in the standard just by implementing it.

Most of the guys in the LB project don't use LLM's, even though it extremely spec-driven, because C++ is not great with AI for some reason.

by net01 1y ago

Most of the guys in the LB project don't use LLM's, even though it extremely spec-driven, because C++ is not great with AI for some reason.

hyperbolablabla 1y ago

But Andreas does fairly heavily, if you watch his code VODs you see that he leans on copilot often.

rzzzt 1y ago
With some "Thank you, Copilot"-s sprinkled in to spare him in the robot uprising universe.
SpecialistK 1y ago
I haven't watched the VODs myself but I am curious as to the nature of the Copilot use - is it a fancy autocomplete, a 2nd look at code he's already written, or is it generating large parts of the code? The SerenityOS project literally has "NIH syndrome" at its core ["the SerenityOS project, which has a strong culture of writing everything from scratch.", https://ladybird.org/#faq https://ladybird.org/#faq] so I would expect a degree of skepticism of AI code generation. But there was the post semi-recently about Cloudflare developers shipping a mostly-AI-generated software, overseen by real devs [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44159166 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44159166] Perhaps Andreas' use of Copilot is a similar thing, where he saves keystrokes and finds errors in the generated output with his own experience. I'll go watch some VODs.
- xdfgh1112 1y ago
  Most of it was written without LLMs for that reason, but now Ladybird is its own project, the NIH focus has largely gone away. They are using a lot of third party code now. Their mission is compete with Chrome, not be 100% NIH.
  - lttlrck 1y ago
    With "No code from other browsers" which in a browser must mean most of the code is largely written from scratch?
    - xdfgh1112 1y ago
      The original project did everything from scratch. Video/audio decoding, SSL, font rendering, etc. a huge portion of the code. They're still not using existing browser code because being an independent implementation of the web standards is a key goal. They've found bugs in the standard just by implementing it.