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> running at speeds of up to 2,000 tokens per second, with a 131k-token context window, no proprietary IDE lock-in, and no weekly limits! I was excited, then I
by thanhhaimai 1y ago
> running at speeds of up to 2,000 tokens per second, with a 131k-token context window, no proprietary IDE lock-in, and no weekly limits!
I was excited, then I read this:
> Send up to 1,000 messages per day—enough for 3–4 hours of uninterrupted vibe coding.
I don't mind paying for services I use. But it's hard to take this seriously when the first paragraph claim is contradicting the fine prints.
- amirhirsch 1y agothe distinction is from weekly limits of claude code.
- sneilan1 1y agoClaude code weekly limits are hard to distinguish. It's not easy to understand their usage limits. I've found when I run into too much opus usage, I switch to sonnet but I've never ran into a usage limit with sonnet 4 yet.
- sneilan1 1y ago1,000 messages per day should be plenty as a daily development driver. I use claude code sonnet 4 exclusively and I do not send more than 1,000 messages per day. However, that is my current understanding. I am certainly not pressing enter 1,000 times! Maybe there are more messages being sent under the hood that I do not realize?
- thanhhaimai 1y agoThe issue is not about whether the limit is too high or too low. What turned me back was that they claimed "no weekly limits" as a selling feature, without mentioning that they change it to a "daily limits". I understand it's a sale tactics. But it seems not forthcoming, and it's hard for me to trust the rest of the claims.
- twothreeone 1y agoI don't see what's hard to understand about this.. other providers have weekly limits and daily limits. If you max out your daily every day you might still hit your weekly after 3-4 days of usage, meaning you cannot send more for the rest of the week. This is saying that no such weekly limit exists on top of the daily. E.g. see https://techcrunch.com/2025/07/28/anthropic-unveils-new-rate-limits-to-curb-claude-code-power-users/ https://techcrunch.com/2025/07/28/anthropic-unveils-new-rate...
- brandall10 1y agoClaude Code does not have a daily limit, it has 5 hour windows that reset. On the $100 plan it's pretty hard to hit a window limit w/ Sonnet unless you're using multiple/subagents. The $200 is better suited to those who do that or want to use a significant amount of Opus. Also the weekly limit selling point is silly - it almost certainly only impacts those who are abusing, ie. running 24/7.
- b2m9 1y agoAt this point I'm afraid to ask, but I will do I anyways: How do Claude's rate limits actually work? I'm not a Pro/Max5/Max20 subscriber, only light API usage for Anthropic - so it's likely that I don't really understand the limits there. For example, community reports that Anthropic's message limit for Max 5 translates to roughly 88k token per 5-hour window (there's variance, but it's somewhere in this 80-120k ballpark based on system load; also assuming Sonnet, not Opus). A normal user probably won't consume more than 250k token per day with this subscription. That's like 5M token for a month of 20 active days - which doesn't justify the 100 USD subscription cost. This also doesn't square with Anthropic's statement that users can consume 10000+ USD of usage on the Max 20 tier. I'm clearly misunderstanding Claude's rate limits here. Can someone enlighten me? Is the 5-hour window somehow per task/instance and not per account?
- ixel 1y agoWith Anthropic's Claude subscriptions - while many people appear to use tokens as an idea of the usage limit, I doubt that's what is really used by Anthropic. Why do I say this? Well, there are multiple models, Haiku, Sonnet and Opus, we all know that Opus is the most expensive and burns through the usage limit of the subscription the fastest of all. I'd theorise that Anthropic have some kind of internal credit value (perhaps as simple as $ USD) which they allocate with some variance based on things like overall system load. Anyway, my personal experience on Max 20x is that, with Opus at least, on a busy day in the past I can burn through between 150 to 200 million tokens in a day using Claude Code for development stuff. Split that up into 5 hour windows, and assume I'm possibly using 2 or 3 windows in a day, that still works out to a lot of tokens, well into the millions. So, the 88k tokens per 5-hour window on Max 5x, I'm not sure if it's really as small as that. Maybe the apparent reductions recently in usage limits have made it drop to around that ballpark. Originally I saw Max 5x as a heavy usage Sonnet plan, with Max 20x being a heavy usage Opus plan, however with the new and additional weekly usage limit happening on August 28th I think I'd see the plans as potentially moderate to heavy usage Sonnet for Max 5x, and heavy usage Sonnet with multiple concurrent agents for Max 20x. TLDR: I strongly imagine that Claude subscription usage limits are based on some kind of internal credit value, perhaps $ USD, not specifically tokens, and depending which model you use is how fast this "credit" will be depleted. The usage limits are currently for an account, based on a 5-hour window, from the first message that was sent in a new 5-hour window. From August 28th there's an additional weekly limit which looks like it will primarily make Opus usage restricted.
- SamDc73 1y agoStill not sure if it's 1000 messages or calls though, if messages that's good.
- diggan 1y agoNeither, it seems. The blog post says "Send up to N messages per day", but the FAQ (https://cerebras-inference.help.usepylon.com/articles/3468865440-how-do-you-calculate-messages-per-day https://cerebras-inference.help.usepylon.com/articles/346886...) says: > How do you calculate messages per day? Actual number of messages per day depends on token usage per request. Estimates based on average requests of ~8k tokens each for a median user. So seems there is a token limit? But they're not clear what exactly that is? Haven't tried to subscribe, just going by public information available.
- bluelightning2k 1y agoLogically it can only be API call based, as you bring your own IDE plugin. So there's no possibility it's based upon any UI level concept such as top level messages. The subscription wouldn't even necessarily know.
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- itsafarqueue 1y agoYour “one enter” press might generate dozens or even hundreds of messages in an agent. Every file read, re-read, read a bit more, edit, whoops re-edit, ls, grep, etc etc counts as a message.
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- attentive 1y agoTo put this into perspective, github copilot Business license is 300 "premium" requests a MONTH.
- Paradigma11 1y agoBut one premium request includes all subrequests from tool use and/or internal follow up requests.
- superasn 1y agoPretty sure this is there to prevent this[1] from happening to them [1] https://www.viberank.app/ https://www.viberank.app/
- bravesoul2 1y agoThat's a CO2 emissions leader board!
- LudwigNagasena 1y agoThat’s almost no CO2 emissions at all. Here is a CO2 emissions leaderboard (need to sort by the correct column): https://celebrityprivatejettracker.com/leaderboard/ https://celebrityprivatejettracker.com/leaderboard/
- wraptile 1y agoThe number one has 32k which is equivellent of 64,000 commercial transantlantic flight trips (per person). For reference, 2024 had a record flights summer of 140k.
- yowlingcat 1y agoA commercial transatlantic flight costs $0.50 per person?
- HighGoldstein 1y agoFor a moment I thought it might be the presidential plane, which would explain the emissions, but no, for some reason Trump's personal plane is a whole ass Boring 757
- bravesoul2 1y agoI'm surprised there hasn't been dick swinging pressure for some billionaire (the type who cant remember how many billions but net worth probably begins with a 1 due to Benford's law) to get a dreamliner as their private jet.
- kristjansson 1y agoIt’s a true statement - no weekly limits, just a daily limit. Easier to work with when you can only get locked out of your tool for 23h59m
- brandall10 1y agoThe CC weekly limits are in place to thwart abuse. This bit of marketing isn't particular useful as that limit primarily impacts those who are running it at all hours. OTOH, 5 hour limits are far superior to daily limits when both can be realistically hit.
- bluelightning2k 1y agoWhat a productive second you must have had
- bongodongobob 1y agoThe weekly limit is the daily limit x 7.
- handfuloflight 1y agoYou're going to send 1,000 messages in 1 minute?
- newswasboring 1y agoSlightly funny in light of this https://www.catherinejue.com/fast https://www.catherinejue.com/fast
- Palmik 1y agoYes, to differentiate from Claude Code which has 5-hour-window limits as well as weekly limits on top
- weitendorf 1y agoWe're just doing usage-based pricing for our ai devtools product because it's the only way to square the circle of "as much access to an expensive thing as you want, at a reasonable price". It's harder to set up, lends itself to lower margins, and consumers generally do prefer more predictable/simpler pricing, but so many ai devtools products have pissed their users off by throttling their "unlimited"/plan-based pricing that I think it's now seen as a yellow flag