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Has there ever been one that survived for a really long time?

by Jabrov 1y ago

reddalo 1y ago
Three random examples that come to my mind: - Tinyurl.com, launched in 2002, currently 23 years old - Urly.it, launched in 2009, currently 16 years old - Bitly.com, also launched in 2009 So yes, some services survived a long time.
- notpushkin 1y ago
  - is.gd and v.gd
magicalhippo 1y ago
https://www.doi.org/ https://www.doi.org/ has been going for 27 years[1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_object_identifier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_object_identifier
Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
Honestly, that's a great question I think I might be doing a self plug here, so pardon me but I am pretty sure that I can create something like a link shortener which can last essentially permanent, it has to do with crypto (I don't adore it as an investment, I must make it absolutely clear) But basically I have created nanotimestamps which can embed some data in nano blockchain and that data could theoretically be a link.. Now the problem is that the link would atleast either be a transaction id which is big or some sort of seed passphrase... So no, its not as easy as some passphrase but I am pretty sure that nano isn't going to dissolve, last time I checked it has 60 nodes and anyone can host a node and did I mention all of this for completely free.. (I mean, there is no gas fees in nano, which is why I picked it) I am not associated with the nano team and it would actually be sort of put their system on strain if we do actually use it in this way but I mean their system allows for it .. so why not cheat the system Tldr: I am pretty sure that I can build one which can really survive a really long time, decentralized based link shortener but the trade off is that the shortened link might actually become larger than original link. I can still think of a way to actually shorten it though Like I just thought that nano has a way to catalogue transactions in time so its theoretically possible that we can catalogue some transactions from time, and so basically its just the nth number of transaction and that n could be something like 1000232 and so it could be test.org/1000232 could lead to something like youtube rickroll. Could theoretically be possible, If literally anybody is interested, I can create a basic prototype since I am just so proud really that I created some decent "innovation" in some space that I am not even familiar with (I ain't no crypto wizard)
- wizzwizz4 1y ago
  > which can last essentially permanent Data stored in a blockchain isn't any more permanent than data stored in a well-seeded SQLite torrent: it's got the same failure modes (including "yes, technically there are a thousand copies… somewhere; but we're unlikely to get hold of one any time in the next 3 years"). But yes, you have correctly used the primitives to construct a system. (It's hardly your fault people undersell the leakiness of the abstraction.)
  - Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
    Honestly, I agree with your point so wholeheartedly. I was really into p2p technologies like iroh etc. and at a real fundamental level you are still trusting that someone won't just suddenly leave things so things can still very well go down... even in crypto But I think compared to sqlite torrent, the part about crypto might be the fact that since there's people's real money involved (for the worse or for the better) it then becomes of absolute permanence that data stored in blockchain becomes permanent.. and like I said, I can use that 60 nodes for absolutely free due to absolutely 0 gas fees compared to Sqlite torrent.
- OutOfHere 1y ago
  It's not useful if the resulting URL is too long. It defeats the purpose of a URL shortener. The source URL can just be used then.
  - Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
    Yes I did address that part but honestly I can use the time of when it was sent into blockchain / transaction id which is generally really short as I said in the comment. I will hack a prototype tomorrow.
    - OutOfHere 1y ago
      It is the long URL that also needs to be stored, not just the short URL. If you want to use blockchain for this, I advise properly using a dedicated new blockchain, not spamming the Nano network.
cestith 1y ago
I’m sure there are many self-hosted ones for corporations, shortening only their own URLs. There are only a few public ones.

Has there ever been one that survived for a really long time?

by Jabrov 1y ago

Has there ever been one that survived for a really long time?

Three random examples that come to my mind: - Tinyurl.com, launched in 2002, currently 23 years old - Urly.it, launched in 2009, currently 16 years old - Bitly.com, also launched in 2009 So yes, some services survived a long time.

notpushkin 1y ago
- is.gd and v.gd

magicalhippo 1y ago

https://www.doi.org/ https://www.doi.org/ has been going for 27 years[1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_object_identifier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_object_identifier

Imustaskforhelp 1y ago

Honestly, that's a great question I think I might be doing a self plug here, so pardon me but I am pretty sure that I can create something like a link shortener which can last essentially permanent, it has to do with crypto (I don't adore it as an investment, I must make it absolutely clear) But basically I have created nanotimestamps which can embed some data in nano blockchain and that data could theoretically be a link.. Now the problem is that the link would atleast either be a transaction id which is big or some sort of seed passphrase... So no, its not as easy as some passphrase but I am pretty sure that nano isn't going to dissolve, last time I checked it has 60 nodes and anyone can host a node and did I mention all of this for completely free.. (I mean, there is no gas fees in nano, which is why I picked it) I am not associated with the nano team and it would actually be sort of put their system on strain if we do actually use it in this way but I mean their system allows for it .. so why not cheat the system Tldr: I am pretty sure that I can build one which can really survive a really long time, decentralized based link shortener but the trade off is that the shortened link might actually become larger than original link. I can still think of a way to actually shorten it though Like I just thought that nano has a way to catalogue transactions in time so its theoretically possible that we can catalogue some transactions from time, and so basically its just the nth number of transaction and that n could be something like 1000232 and so it could be test.org/1000232 could lead to something like youtube rickroll. Could theoretically be possible, If literally anybody is interested, I can create a basic prototype since I am just so proud really that I created some decent "innovation" in some space that I am not even familiar with (I ain't no crypto wizard)

wizzwizz4 1y ago
> which can last essentially permanent Data stored in a blockchain isn't any more permanent than data stored in a well-seeded SQLite torrent: it's got the same failure modes (including "yes, technically there are a thousand copies… somewhere; but we're unlikely to get hold of one any time in the next 3 years"). But yes, you have correctly used the primitives to construct a system. (It's hardly your fault people undersell the leakiness of the abstraction.)
- Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
  Honestly, I agree with your point so wholeheartedly. I was really into p2p technologies like iroh etc. and at a real fundamental level you are still trusting that someone won't just suddenly leave things so things can still very well go down... even in crypto But I think compared to sqlite torrent, the part about crypto might be the fact that since there's people's real money involved (for the worse or for the better) it then becomes of absolute permanence that data stored in blockchain becomes permanent.. and like I said, I can use that 60 nodes for absolutely free due to absolutely 0 gas fees compared to Sqlite torrent.
OutOfHere 1y ago
It's not useful if the resulting URL is too long. It defeats the purpose of a URL shortener. The source URL can just be used then.
- Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
  Yes I did address that part but honestly I can use the time of when it was sent into blockchain / transaction id which is generally really short as I said in the comment. I will hack a prototype tomorrow.
  - OutOfHere 1y ago
    It is the long URL that also needs to be stored, not just the short URL. If you want to use blockchain for this, I advise properly using a dedicated new blockchain, not spamming the Nano network.

cestith 1y ago

I’m sure there are many self-hosted ones for corporations, shortening only their own URLs. There are only a few public ones.