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Mosh looks very cool, though I've never used it. Does Screen provide some advantage over tmux in this setup?

jvanderbot 1y ago
Yes. Mosh is a seamless replacement for ssh, and screen is a mostly seamless replacement for tmux. One more level is Mosh+byobu, which is so useful I don't even bother with plain terminals most the time.
- positr0n 1y ago
  Haha I think you have the history backwards here. Tmux was created as a replacement for screen when it was 20 years old! Speaking as someone with ‘set -g prefix c-a’ in their .tmux.conf because my muscle memory is so used to the screen hotkeys. GNU screen was released in 1987. tmux was created in 2007.
  - jvanderbot 1y ago
    Hey maybe I do! Great to learn the history here. Regardless, my point is that Byobu is very nice compared to either. That may now be lost due to my careless comment.
- saagarjha 1y ago
  It's seamless until you want to scroll.
lostdog 1y ago
Mosh does not support OSC52, so it's a barrier to getting copy/paste to work.
- brontitall 1y ago
  On mobile so I’m not sure which case OSC52 applies to, but I use mosh+tmux 8-10 hours a day. Both bracketed paste and tmux selection setting local clipboard work fine
- kzrdude 1y ago
  And case in point, mosh is another terminal layer, it's also a multiplexer of sorts. I've used mosh a lot but it's just interesting to note it's in the same category as screen and tmux
- attentive 1y ago
  it sort of does support it, except it doesn't work with tmux.
radiofreeeuropa 1y ago
Mosh is excellent. It lets remote sessions survive (well, automatically and transparently recover from) disruption that reliably kills ssh. I basically don't use ssh at all any more for interactive sessions, because I'm sick of a few lost packets on wifi or a weak cell signal dropping my connections and forcing me to start over. Tmux, I used to use and eventually abandoned. I decided I didn't need two keyboard-based window managers (I use Spectacle on Mac) and the one that was only for shells was the one that could go. I have replaced it with nothing, so far, aside from that I just open more Terminal.app windows now (I also used to use iTerm2, for years, until it dawned on me that I was using exactly nothing in it that's not also provided by Terminal.app, and the latter's got better input latency, so I was suffering an extra installed program and slightly less responsive typing for no reason at all)

Yes. Mosh is a seamless replacement for ssh, and screen is a mostly seamless replacement for tmux. One more level is Mosh+byobu, which is so useful I don't even bother with plain terminals most the time.

positr0n 1y ago
Haha I think you have the history backwards here. Tmux was created as a replacement for screen when it was 20 years old! Speaking as someone with ‘set -g prefix c-a’ in their .tmux.conf because my muscle memory is so used to the screen hotkeys. GNU screen was released in 1987. tmux was created in 2007.
- jvanderbot 1y ago
  Hey maybe I do! Great to learn the history here. Regardless, my point is that Byobu is very nice compared to either. That may now be lost due to my careless comment.
saagarjha 1y ago
It's seamless until you want to scroll.

lostdog 1y ago

Mosh does not support OSC52, so it's a barrier to getting copy/paste to work.

brontitall 1y ago
On mobile so I’m not sure which case OSC52 applies to, but I use mosh+tmux 8-10 hours a day. Both bracketed paste and tmux selection setting local clipboard work fine
kzrdude 1y ago
And case in point, mosh is another terminal layer, it's also a multiplexer of sorts. I've used mosh a lot but it's just interesting to note it's in the same category as screen and tmux
attentive 1y ago
it sort of does support it, except it doesn't work with tmux.

radiofreeeuropa 1y ago

Mosh is excellent. It lets remote sessions survive (well, automatically and transparently recover from) disruption that reliably kills ssh. I basically don't use ssh at all any more for interactive sessions, because I'm sick of a few lost packets on wifi or a weak cell signal dropping my connections and forcing me to start over. Tmux, I used to use and eventually abandoned. I decided I didn't need two keyboard-based window managers (I use Spectacle on Mac) and the one that was only for shells was the one that could go. I have replaced it with nothing, so far, aside from that I just open more Terminal.app windows now (I also used to use iTerm2, for years, until it dawned on me that I was using exactly nothing in it that's not also provided by Terminal.app, and the latter's got better input latency, so I was suffering an extra installed program and slightly less responsive typing for no reason at all)