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> just because you need your ID to buy a beer You keep making this comparison, but it's not appropriate. The closest real-world analogy: in order to buy alcoho

> just because you need your ID to buy a beer You keep making this comparison, but it's not appropriate. The closest real-world analogy: in order to buy alcohol, you need to wear a tracking bracelet at all times, and be identified at every store you enter, even you you choose to purchase nothing. If our automated systems can't identify you with certainty, you'll be limited to only being able to do things a child could do. And the real world has a huge gap between a child and an adult. If an 8-year old walked into Home Depot and bought a circular saw, there's no law against it, but the store might have questions. If a 14-year old did it, you might get a different result. At 17, they'd almost certainly let you. The real world has people that are observing things and using judgement. Submitting to automated age checks online is not that.

CJefferson 1y ago
It's appropriate (to me) as a limit society has decided it wants, and we should consider if there is a reason similar limits should, or should not, apply to the internet. The whole article we are discussing is how that could be implemented in a much more privacy-sade way.
- rpdillon 1y ago
  But my point is that it won't be. The laws are getting passed, and there is no privacy preservation, there are no ZKPs, there's nothing except "submit your ID". You keep holding out for good faith, but the folks making the rules aren't acting in good faith. I very much appreciate the discussion here, but I think we're coming into the discussion with a different set of priors, so even if our values match, we might not agree.
  - rpdillon 1y ago
    Just to emphasize the point, the EU's age verification laws are actively preventing Android users from utilizing third party app stores because the implementation is tied to Google Play integrity services. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44801851 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44801851 Just extremely clear that the implementation is an afterthought.

CJefferson 1y ago

It's appropriate (to me) as a limit society has decided it wants, and we should consider if there is a reason similar limits should, or should not, apply to the internet. The whole article we are discussing is how that could be implemented in a much more privacy-sade way.

rpdillon 1y ago
But my point is that it won't be. The laws are getting passed, and there is no privacy preservation, there are no ZKPs, there's nothing except "submit your ID". You keep holding out for good faith, but the folks making the rules aren't acting in good faith. I very much appreciate the discussion here, but I think we're coming into the discussion with a different set of priors, so even if our values match, we might not agree.
- rpdillon 1y ago
  Just to emphasize the point, the EU's age verification laws are actively preventing Android users from utilizing third party app stores because the implementation is tied to Google Play integrity services. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44801851 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44801851 Just extremely clear that the implementation is an afterthought.