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Not saying I know the truth here, but you are falling for the oldest trick in the book. Effective lies always work in little tidbits of truth (as externally kno

Not saying I know the truth here, but you are falling for the oldest trick in the book. Effective lies always work in little tidbits of truth (as externally known/validated by the audience).

praptak 1y ago
I hadn't even read the original accusations when I wrote this, just this fragment, so I don't think I got exposed to any tricks by the accusers (except maybe indirectly by the author). I am only saying that even the person being accused does not directly confront the accusers about any facts.
- bagacrap 1y ago
  You concluded that these "accusations" (your word) are perhaps "the truth" (your word) based only on the information that some facts are worked into the accuser's story (we can assume some details are factual as neither side disputes them). Fwiw I spent a few dozen seconds trying to read the primary source (accusations) but it was mostly a blow by blow of internal emotional state and my interest in this soap opera was quickly exhausted. No real lesson to be learned here unless you didn't already realize not to stick your ... in crazy.
  - praptak 1y ago
    No, that's not what I concluded. I used the word "perhaps" to indicate that accusers telling the truth is a possibility. And it's one that cannot be ruled out even if we believe 100% of what the author wrote in this article.
    - bagacrap 1y ago
      There is an assertion at stake here along the lines of "he took advantage of me" which is either objectively true or is not objectively true. It may be impossible for us to know what his actual motivation was at the time the undisputed events took place, but if everyone agreed his intentions were pure, then he wouldn't be ostracized. So there is no way for everyone's statements to be in perfect alignment with objective reality.
lotyrin 1y ago
What evidence do you have that anyone here is lying? Given my priors I am inclined to believe everyone involved here is a reliable reporter of their lived experience, just their lived experiences of the same events are wildly different. If you are claiming it's more likely that these women are lying because they want to punish men for the crime of being men than it is likely that everyone here is a victim of a culture that encourages men to behave this way and pressures women to accept it silently you're delusional or acting in bad faith.

Not saying I know the truth here, but you are falling for the oldest trick in the book. Effective lies always work in little tidbits of truth (as externally known/validated by the audience).

praptak 1y ago

I hadn't even read the original accusations when I wrote this, just this fragment, so I don't think I got exposed to any tricks by the accusers (except maybe indirectly by the author). I am only saying that even the person being accused does not directly confront the accusers about any facts.

bagacrap 1y ago
You concluded that these "accusations" (your word) are perhaps "the truth" (your word) based only on the information that some facts are worked into the accuser's story (we can assume some details are factual as neither side disputes them). Fwiw I spent a few dozen seconds trying to read the primary source (accusations) but it was mostly a blow by blow of internal emotional state and my interest in this soap opera was quickly exhausted. No real lesson to be learned here unless you didn't already realize not to stick your ... in crazy.
- praptak 1y ago
  No, that's not what I concluded. I used the word "perhaps" to indicate that accusers telling the truth is a possibility. And it's one that cannot be ruled out even if we believe 100% of what the author wrote in this article.
  - bagacrap 1y ago
    There is an assertion at stake here along the lines of "he took advantage of me" which is either objectively true or is not objectively true. It may be impossible for us to know what his actual motivation was at the time the undisputed events took place, but if everyone agreed his intentions were pure, then he wouldn't be ostracized. So there is no way for everyone's statements to be in perfect alignment with objective reality.

lotyrin 1y ago

What evidence do you have that anyone here is lying? Given my priors I am inclined to believe everyone involved here is a reliable reporter of their lived experience, just their lived experiences of the same events are wildly different. If you are claiming it's more likely that these women are lying because they want to punish men for the crime of being men than it is likely that everyone here is a victim of a culture that encourages men to behave this way and pressures women to accept it silently you're delusional or acting in bad faith.