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I have mixed feelings. Cancel culture sucks. I think it's root is a culture of indulging in righteous indignation based on very one-sided information. Even if

I have mixed feelings. Cancel culture sucks. I think it's root is a culture of indulging in righteous indignation based on very one-sided information. Even if the allegations are true, his life should not have been ruined over this. On the other hand, when I read the accusers' accounts someone else linked in the comments, they sound credible. It fits behavior patterns we've all seen before. I don't know who to believe.

mil22 1y ago
A lot of works of fiction sound credible. Are you going to believe those? You don't have all the information. You weren't there. You don't even know the people personally. You are not in a position to make any judgement either way. Something sounding credible doesn't make it true. It doesn't automatically make it false, either. You don't have to believe the accuser or the accused. The only thing any of us should do is mind our own business.
- ryaniscool 1y ago
  Thanks for the lecture. How does it relate to the comment I made? Sorry, it's not clear to me. I didn't personally participate in cancelling this person. In fact, I agreed with the point he made in the article. I'm just not sure he didn't do it. Are you saying I shouldn't have an opinion on that part?
  - mil22 1y ago
    You can have whatever opinion you want, but don't confuse "sounds credible" with evidence. From the sidelines, you don't know enough to judge either way. Saying "I don't know" is the only accurate position. Everything beyond that is just speculation - and speculation is exactly what keeps cancel culture alive.
    - OldfieldFund 1y ago
      The same with OP's post. So far, I see that this post caused quite a few forks, the opposite of what the author asked for. I don't have a solution. I think as a man who runs conferences you shouldn't sleep with people who attend them. Or any other things like that, for that matter. Should you be cancelled for that? No. But humans are humans. There is no solution to this. Courts are also wrong all the time (look at OJ) and victims of SA almost never see justice. The answer is: we don't know the truth.
thelittlenag 1y ago
My comment here is a very narrow one. In general I agree with your sentiment and thoughts, so please don't misread me. There is one nit I need to pick, however. There is a subtle, but worthwhile, difference between "plausible" and "credible". Lots of stories are plausible. Few are credible. In emotion laden cases like this we tend to want to believe stories we already agree with, or have some investment in. I'm no exception to that. We need to not be misled by what is plausible, or confuse that with what is credible.
- ryaniscool 1y ago
  Very interesting point. You're right there is a difference and the difference is subtle. I agree with what you're implying: the accusers stories are plausible. Credibility requires more information.

mil22 1y ago

A lot of works of fiction sound credible. Are you going to believe those? You don't have all the information. You weren't there. You don't even know the people personally. You are not in a position to make any judgement either way. Something sounding credible doesn't make it true. It doesn't automatically make it false, either. You don't have to believe the accuser or the accused. The only thing any of us should do is mind our own business.

ryaniscool 1y ago
Thanks for the lecture. How does it relate to the comment I made? Sorry, it's not clear to me. I didn't personally participate in cancelling this person. In fact, I agreed with the point he made in the article. I'm just not sure he didn't do it. Are you saying I shouldn't have an opinion on that part?
- mil22 1y ago
  You can have whatever opinion you want, but don't confuse "sounds credible" with evidence. From the sidelines, you don't know enough to judge either way. Saying "I don't know" is the only accurate position. Everything beyond that is just speculation - and speculation is exactly what keeps cancel culture alive.
  - OldfieldFund 1y ago
    The same with OP's post. So far, I see that this post caused quite a few forks, the opposite of what the author asked for. I don't have a solution. I think as a man who runs conferences you shouldn't sleep with people who attend them. Or any other things like that, for that matter. Should you be cancelled for that? No. But humans are humans. There is no solution to this. Courts are also wrong all the time (look at OJ) and victims of SA almost never see justice. The answer is: we don't know the truth.

thelittlenag 1y ago

My comment here is a very narrow one. In general I agree with your sentiment and thoughts, so please don't misread me. There is one nit I need to pick, however. There is a subtle, but worthwhile, difference between "plausible" and "credible". Lots of stories are plausible. Few are credible. In emotion laden cases like this we tend to want to believe stories we already agree with, or have some investment in. I'm no exception to that. We need to not be misled by what is plausible, or confuse that with what is credible.

ryaniscool 1y ago
Very interesting point. You're right there is a difference and the difference is subtle. I agree with what you're implying: the accusers stories are plausible. Credibility requires more information.