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Well, apparently Western Europe is not only buying Russian oil and gas, but they decided to buy some ideas from Wowa Putin. Who cares... until European Union wi

Well, apparently Western Europe is not only buying Russian oil and gas, but they decided to buy some ideas from Wowa Putin. Who cares... until European Union will try to make that their regulation.

ajsnigrutin 1y ago
For us europeans, that's nothing new... point the finger at putin/china and then do worse at home, while acting you support democracy and freedoms. UK already did their "prove your age" act, EU is well on the way of doing it, every year they try a new chat control law, and sooner or later they'll force some kind of "real name" online, requiring identifying yourself when registering an account. And that's just the new stuff, france was pushing key escrow for many years, UK can jail you if you forget (or not give) your passwords, germany can fine you you if you use nasty words against a politician, etc.
- ghusto 1y ago
  > they'll force some kind of "real name" online All of this is terrible, obviously, but this one has a silver lining. The web will be such a nicer place when people can't hide behind anonymity.
  - ajsnigrutin 1y ago
    Yep,... no one will be able to criticize their employers anymore, nor the local government, police, etc. I mean well. .or risk losing a job or worse. Yay! /s
    - ghusto 1y ago
      That could easily work the same as in real life. Most interactions are not anonymous, but in the cases where anonymity is a requirement, that can be provided. If we can do that in real life, it's even easier online.
      - ajsnigrutin 1y ago
        But in real life you don't really say a lot of things aloud. If you had to anonymously describe your workplace, your bosses, your company, their products, etc., would you really say the same thing anonymously online and in person or with your real name attached to the text?
  - Kephael 1y ago
    That will kill the open web for conversations. It will be a sterile, censored place and real conversation will move elsewhere.
    - ghusto 1y ago
      Why though? When you talk to a person face to face, are you sterile and self-censored?
      - ajsnigrutin 1y ago
        At work? Sure. Especially infront of your boss. If your friend is a bad cook, do you critique their cooking? Or politely eat some and next time come just for coffee? When you need some government permit, and the person there is playing solitaire, do you say that they're lazy aloud and risk your form "getting lost"? If there's a group of young men playing loud music on a bus, do you tell them that they're idiots, who don't care about other people around them? What about if you have controversial political opinions and work at a workplace where most people there don't agree with them, do you say them aloud? What about at college, if you think your professor is an idiot, even if true, would you say it aloud (before you pass that subject of course)? Yes, most people don't say what they think in person. But on the internet, you can say that your boss is an idiot, that the company produces crap products, that you eat before visining a friend, that the government worker at XY office is incompetent and lazy, that peopl playing loud music in public are idiots, that men should have legalized paper abortions, and that the professor has no idea what he's teaching, because his knowledge was outdated in the 80s when he got his tenure. All of that because you can be ghusto here and not "John Smith" with your real name and anyone being able to google you. Or more realistically, even if you're alloed to use nicknames but have to register with your real name, you'll never be able to safely critique the government, because they'll always be able to get your data.
        ghusto 1y ago
        You're examples fall into the two categories I've talked about: Those where I believe you should stick to your convictions and say it as yourself, and those where privacy options would be available (again, as in real life). For example: > If there's a group of young men playing loud music on a bus, do you tell them that they're idiots Why would you tell them they're idiots? How would that help anything. If you do that online anonymously, are you trying to better the situation, or vent your own anger and thus making the world that much more negative?
  - i80and 1y ago
    Facebook badly begs to differ. That's one of the depressing things about sites with "real" (whatever that even means) name policies: turns out people will happily be virulently nasty trolls just as readily without pseudonymity
  - chronogram 1y ago
    HN is a much nicer place than any Facebook group.
redeeman 1y ago
yeah putin man bad. king pooh man bad. as an EU citizen, china or russia is not even 1% the enemy that EU countries and EU itself is to the people of EU. EU and the member states are nothing but thugs and terrorists. Very powerful ones, but terrorists nonetheless. Putin or russia has not once threatened me, stolen from me under the threat of throwing me in jail, yet EU does. Russia has never tried to steal money from other citizens to try bribe me, yet an EU state has. EU and its member states are an enemy of the people.

Well, apparently Western Europe is not only buying Russian oil and gas, but they decided to buy some ideas from Wowa Putin. Who cares... until European Union will try to make that their regulation.

ajsnigrutin 1y ago

For us europeans, that's nothing new... point the finger at putin/china and then do worse at home, while acting you support democracy and freedoms. UK already did their "prove your age" act, EU is well on the way of doing it, every year they try a new chat control law, and sooner or later they'll force some kind of "real name" online, requiring identifying yourself when registering an account. And that's just the new stuff, france was pushing key escrow for many years, UK can jail you if you forget (or not give) your passwords, germany can fine you you if you use nasty words against a politician, etc.

ghusto 1y ago
> they'll force some kind of "real name" online All of this is terrible, obviously, but this one has a silver lining. The web will be such a nicer place when people can't hide behind anonymity.
- ajsnigrutin 1y ago
  Yep,... no one will be able to criticize their employers anymore, nor the local government, police, etc. I mean well. .or risk losing a job or worse. Yay! /s
  - ghusto 1y ago
    That could easily work the same as in real life. Most interactions are not anonymous, but in the cases where anonymity is a requirement, that can be provided. If we can do that in real life, it's even easier online.
    - ajsnigrutin 1y ago
      But in real life you don't really say a lot of things aloud. If you had to anonymously describe your workplace, your bosses, your company, their products, etc., would you really say the same thing anonymously online and in person or with your real name attached to the text?
- Kephael 1y ago
  That will kill the open web for conversations. It will be a sterile, censored place and real conversation will move elsewhere.
  - ghusto 1y ago
    Why though? When you talk to a person face to face, are you sterile and self-censored?
    - ajsnigrutin 1y ago
      At work? Sure. Especially infront of your boss. If your friend is a bad cook, do you critique their cooking? Or politely eat some and next time come just for coffee? When you need some government permit, and the person there is playing solitaire, do you say that they're lazy aloud and risk your form "getting lost"? If there's a group of young men playing loud music on a bus, do you tell them that they're idiots, who don't care about other people around them? What about if you have controversial political opinions and work at a workplace where most people there don't agree with them, do you say them aloud? What about at college, if you think your professor is an idiot, even if true, would you say it aloud (before you pass that subject of course)? Yes, most people don't say what they think in person. But on the internet, you can say that your boss is an idiot, that the company produces crap products, that you eat before visining a friend, that the government worker at XY office is incompetent and lazy, that peopl playing loud music in public are idiots, that men should have legalized paper abortions, and that the professor has no idea what he's teaching, because his knowledge was outdated in the 80s when he got his tenure. All of that because you can be ghusto here and not "John Smith" with your real name and anyone being able to google you. Or more realistically, even if you're alloed to use nicknames but have to register with your real name, you'll never be able to safely critique the government, because they'll always be able to get your data.
      - ghusto 1y ago
        You're examples fall into the two categories I've talked about: Those where I believe you should stick to your convictions and say it as yourself, and those where privacy options would be available (again, as in real life). For example: > If there's a group of young men playing loud music on a bus, do you tell them that they're idiots Why would you tell them they're idiots? How would that help anything. If you do that online anonymously, are you trying to better the situation, or vent your own anger and thus making the world that much more negative?
- i80and 1y ago
  Facebook badly begs to differ. That's one of the depressing things about sites with "real" (whatever that even means) name policies: turns out people will happily be virulently nasty trolls just as readily without pseudonymity
- chronogram 1y ago
  HN is a much nicer place than any Facebook group.

redeeman 1y ago

yeah putin man bad. king pooh man bad. as an EU citizen, china or russia is not even 1% the enemy that EU countries and EU itself is to the people of EU. EU and the member states are nothing but thugs and terrorists. Very powerful ones, but terrorists nonetheless. Putin or russia has not once threatened me, stolen from me under the threat of throwing me in jail, yet EU does. Russia has never tried to steal money from other citizens to try bribe me, yet an EU state has. EU and its member states are an enemy of the people.