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Trump got less votes last time than when he lost to Biden. The democrats lost, trump didn’t win. People stayed home.

nyeah 1y ago
Good point. I'm not convinced that support for Israel was the issue, though. There are lunatics in the US who seem to have completely forgotten the 1300-1400 Israelis killed by Hamas just last year, but who can see the human disaster in Gaza. I don't think those people are so politically engaged on that single issue that they deliberately stayed home from the polls and let Trump win ... in order to ... help people in Gaza? I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem to fit together. EDIT: To be fair those same folks are notorious for shooting themselves in the foot. So who knows? EDIT 2: Some of the lunatics above are probably anti-Semitic, despite Trump's claims that they are anti-Semitic. But again how does that drive them to help Trump right now?
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- fc417fc802 1y ago
  > completely forgotten More like the two things aren't even remotely in the same ballpark. Imagine if the US had surrounded Baghdad and intentionally starved the residents. And even that example still fails to account for some of the context.
  - nyeah 1y ago
    Sorry? Do you not remember Fallujah?
    - fc417fc802 1y ago
      You mean the siege where the US allowed 70k refugees to leave 10 days in, actively facilitated the entry of aid, and ultimately gave in to the political pressure to relent in slightly over a month? That Fallujah? For the record I don't doubt for a second that the same people who protest against Israel now would also have been among those campaigning against the US at the time.
      - nyeah 1y ago
        Parts of that are true. Parts of it are a bedtime story to help Americans cope with the reality of what our nation did. EDIT: Recall that Iraq had nothing to do with the WTC attacks. Some people truly try to protest all the horrors of war on all sides, everywhere. Others try to make "Country X" sound worse than anybody else. I don't have your insight into who has what agenda.
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michtzik 1y ago
From Wikipedia right now: 2024: Trump 77,302,580 2020: Trump 74,223,975

Good point. I'm not convinced that support for Israel was the issue, though. There are lunatics in the US who seem to have completely forgotten the 1300-1400 Israelis killed by Hamas just last year, but who can see the human disaster in Gaza. I don't think those people are so politically engaged on that single issue that they deliberately stayed home from the polls and let Trump win ... in order to ... help people in Gaza? I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem to fit together. EDIT: To be fair those same folks are notorious for shooting themselves in the foot. So who knows? EDIT 2: Some of the lunatics above are probably anti-Semitic, despite Trump's claims that they are anti-Semitic. But again how does that drive them to help Trump right now?

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fc417fc802 1y ago
> completely forgotten More like the two things aren't even remotely in the same ballpark. Imagine if the US had surrounded Baghdad and intentionally starved the residents. And even that example still fails to account for some of the context.
- nyeah 1y ago
  Sorry? Do you not remember Fallujah?
  - fc417fc802 1y ago
    You mean the siege where the US allowed 70k refugees to leave 10 days in, actively facilitated the entry of aid, and ultimately gave in to the political pressure to relent in slightly over a month? That Fallujah? For the record I don't doubt for a second that the same people who protest against Israel now would also have been among those campaigning against the US at the time.
    - nyeah 1y ago
      Parts of that are true. Parts of it are a bedtime story to help Americans cope with the reality of what our nation did. EDIT: Recall that Iraq had nothing to do with the WTC attacks. Some people truly try to protest all the horrors of war on all sides, everywhere. Others try to make "Country X" sound worse than anybody else. I don't have your insight into who has what agenda.

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michtzik 1y ago

From Wikipedia right now: 2024: Trump 77,302,580 2020: Trump 74,223,975