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it is not an excuse. They are a well represented community in USA and students felt not safe/had different political stance which was enough to push gov to act.

it is not an excuse. They are a well represented community in USA and students felt not safe/had different political stance which was enough to push gov to act. How is it different from for instance BLM era with governments, media and democrats punishing some institutions and people that didnt want to say their slogan, were having opposing idea or even just didnt went to publicly bend the knee, ending whole careers and sometimes even killing them without any reason beyond rage? Once again you guys built and used the same tools than Trump is now wielding. A few people that were against biden era politics were pointing this simple fact that by creating a precedent and believing that your cause was righter than the others you just helped your opponent to do the same

ModernMech 1y ago
What precedent? When did the Biden administration pull funding from universities to control speech it didn't approve of?
- retinaros 1y ago
  democrats didn’t need as they controlled those institutions. they however did it to the police to punish them just like trump did to school. For education, It was their funding and they put in power the people that did the coercion, lied on their resume and instead of having the will to educate the students just pushed down their throats propaganda. if you were against BLM or even a bit vocal about the tactics and negative things they were doing your carrier / studies would have ended and violence was also physically ok. why do you think no major company care about it anymore? why diversity HR teams or Sustainability teams are getting disbanded? why do we have “sydney sweeney has good jeans” ads now while we had overweight models during biden Era? we are living through a different propaganda era that the market decided to follow like the previous one just to bank on it.
  - ModernMech 1y ago
    Democrats don't actually control those universities though. That's like saying Republicans control churches because churchgoers are more conservative on average. But we all know the Republican party isn't actually directing churches across the country, just as Democrats aren't directing universities. So I don't see what kind of precedent was set as far as use of executive power goes. You're saying because BLM happened (which was under Trump BTW), that gives Trump the right now to control speech at universities?
    - rahimnathwani 1y ago
      That's like saying Republicans control churches because churchgoers are more conservative on average. Anyone can walk into a church and become part of the congregation. Universities have gatekeepers.
      - ModernMech 1y ago
        There are many paths to college, and they require neither membership in nor adherence to ideals professed by the Democratic party. College campuses across America have people from every demographic axis - every race, religion, ethnicity, country, socioeconomic status, etc. Amongst them frequently are conservatives and white men. This is because the gate universities keep is based on merit, not ideology. Indeed, many Republican congresspeople were accepted into and graduated from prestigious ostensibly "Democrat controlled" institutions, despite their conservative beliefs.
        rahimnathwani 1y ago
        This is because the gate universities keep is based on merit, not ideology. Many US universities have required prospective employees to demonstrate their adherence to preferred ideological stances, during processes for hiring and promotion. This is widely documented: https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/fire-statement-use-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-criteria-faculty-hiring-and https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/fire-statement-use-di... I have read information about these mandatory statements on official web sites of universities themselves, so I know the issue isn't a fabrication. Separately, SCOTUS found in both SFFA vs. Harvard and SFFA vs. UNC, that these universities did not admit students based solely on merit, but also discriminated against some individual students due to their race. Amongst them frequently are conservatives and white men. Funny you should say that. A few days ago, a conservative white man filed a complaint against Cornell. He alleges (supported by written evidence) that Cornell deliberately set out to hire a non-white person for a particular role, and did so by making a shortlist of candidates without even advertising the role. More details here: https://www.wsj.com/opinion/cornell-university-discriminated-against-me-1e2d6a1e https://www.wsj.com/opinion/cornell-university-discriminated...
  - UncleMeat 1y ago
    Democrats don't control these institutions. Look at who is on the boards of these universities (both public and private).

ModernMech 1y ago

What precedent? When did the Biden administration pull funding from universities to control speech it didn't approve of?

retinaros 1y ago
democrats didn’t need as they controlled those institutions. they however did it to the police to punish them just like trump did to school. For education, It was their funding and they put in power the people that did the coercion, lied on their resume and instead of having the will to educate the students just pushed down their throats propaganda. if you were against BLM or even a bit vocal about the tactics and negative things they were doing your carrier / studies would have ended and violence was also physically ok. why do you think no major company care about it anymore? why diversity HR teams or Sustainability teams are getting disbanded? why do we have “sydney sweeney has good jeans” ads now while we had overweight models during biden Era? we are living through a different propaganda era that the market decided to follow like the previous one just to bank on it.
- ModernMech 1y ago
  Democrats don't actually control those universities though. That's like saying Republicans control churches because churchgoers are more conservative on average. But we all know the Republican party isn't actually directing churches across the country, just as Democrats aren't directing universities. So I don't see what kind of precedent was set as far as use of executive power goes. You're saying because BLM happened (which was under Trump BTW), that gives Trump the right now to control speech at universities?
  - rahimnathwani 1y ago
    That's like saying Republicans control churches because churchgoers are more conservative on average. Anyone can walk into a church and become part of the congregation. Universities have gatekeepers.
    - ModernMech 1y ago
      There are many paths to college, and they require neither membership in nor adherence to ideals professed by the Democratic party. College campuses across America have people from every demographic axis - every race, religion, ethnicity, country, socioeconomic status, etc. Amongst them frequently are conservatives and white men. This is because the gate universities keep is based on merit, not ideology. Indeed, many Republican congresspeople were accepted into and graduated from prestigious ostensibly "Democrat controlled" institutions, despite their conservative beliefs.
      - rahimnathwani 1y ago
        This is because the gate universities keep is based on merit, not ideology. Many US universities have required prospective employees to demonstrate their adherence to preferred ideological stances, during processes for hiring and promotion. This is widely documented: https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/fire-statement-use-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-criteria-faculty-hiring-and https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/fire-statement-use-di... I have read information about these mandatory statements on official web sites of universities themselves, so I know the issue isn't a fabrication. Separately, SCOTUS found in both SFFA vs. Harvard and SFFA vs. UNC, that these universities did not admit students based solely on merit, but also discriminated against some individual students due to their race. Amongst them frequently are conservatives and white men. Funny you should say that. A few days ago, a conservative white man filed a complaint against Cornell. He alleges (supported by written evidence) that Cornell deliberately set out to hire a non-white person for a particular role, and did so by making a shortlist of candidates without even advertising the role. More details here: https://www.wsj.com/opinion/cornell-university-discriminated-against-me-1e2d6a1e https://www.wsj.com/opinion/cornell-university-discriminated...
- UncleMeat 1y ago
  Democrats don't control these institutions. Look at who is on the boards of these universities (both public and private).