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The root bsky post says “NSF is suspending roughly 300 grants with UCLA, following a DOJ finding on Tuesday that the university violated Title VI by "creating a
by Den_VR 1y ago
The root bsky post says “NSF is suspending roughly 300 grants with UCLA, following a DOJ finding on Tuesday that the university violated Title VI by "creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students."”
Which is entirely par for the course with the administration and doesn’t seem particularly targeted at Tao. I’m shocked even more NSF grants haven’t been hit, this was a prime DOGE target. They want these headlines.
- throwaway290 1y ago> "creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students" Of course suspending grants is probably the wrong way to go about it anyway, but since you brought this up... do you imply that it's false? I'm not in the US but I heard pretty interesting things about what was happening in universities following Oct 7.
- dcre 1y agoIt’s complete bullshit. Half the students protesting for Gaza were Jewish themselves.
- throwaway290 1y agoThis is the closest to the answer for now, thanks. I remember reading how it was pretty antisemitic with racial shaming and bordering on physical violence but can't remember what sources it was. If half of the protesters were jewish as you say then that's unlikely
- guelo 1y agoPropaganda directed straight from netanyahu. He ordered America to censor the students in public sperches and within days America inexplicably did it.
- hackyhacky 1y agoYes, it's false. Students have a first amendment right to express opinions, even anti-Zionist ones. The administration is using baseless charges of antisemitism as a cudgel to extract fealty and concessions from universities, which they see as opponents of their party.
- cvoss 1y agoThe accusation from DOJ isn't about student speech, though. It's about the university's actions or inactions, which are not protected and are governed by obligations to Title VI discrimination law.
- hackyhacky 1y agoYou're right, but the university is not allowed to censor student speech based on content. The "actions" that the administration claims the university should have taken would have violated the constitution.
- ethbr1 1y agoFurthermore, the redresses the administration has proposed in similar cases (like the university reporting students who protest to federal authorities) suggest this is more about federal power / censorship than furthering universal free speech.
- fuzzfactor 1y agoFree speech just got a price put on its head, capisce? For a one-time payment it may be able to slide this time, didn't Columbia University have an offer they couldn't refuse? Pray the Don doesn't alter the deal . . .
- throwaway290 1y ago> the university is not allowed to censor student speech based on content Hold on, didn't tenured professors get fired literally based on content of their speech a few years back under the other administration? I am confused And this does not have to be about censoring speech. There are rules of a place. As I said, you start obstructing a lecture, you get thrown out in a good university
- plemer 1y agoAllowing people to speak out against overt genocide committed by a foreign government = anti-semitism. Isn’t that self-evident? /s Tbh, this standard argument is itself anti-Jewish as it implies this behavior is inherent to being Jewish, which of course is grotesque and inaccurate. * Jewish /= Zionist * Zionist /= Imperialist * Imperialist /= Genocidal What we have really imo is an extreme colonist policy that is only superficially Jewish. That doesn’t absolve Jews in Israel supporting it, it rather absolves all those who don’t and makes genocidal colonists take responsibility for their own actions. Also, genocide is bad.
- throwaway290 1y agoNice strawman. So how about the actual question which is hostile environment for students? I was downvoted for asking a question and this did not answer it. Edit to reply: what I remember reading was not about saying "end genocide", it was about saying "you are a jew so go die" kind of stuff. It seemed pretty crazy but I didn't save any sources
- Tadpole9181 1y agoIf I make a sign that says "Nazis are Evil", and a guy gets upset and says "you can't say that about me" - what do you call that guy? A Nazi. If I make a sign that says "End the Zionist Genocide", and a Jewish person says "you can't say that about me", they don't feel uncomfortable because they're Jewish.
- throwaway290 1y ago"Zionist genocide" means a genocide of zionist people. Last time I heard it happened was WWII. This thread and replies I got is wild!
- plemer 1y agoDo you really imagine anyone here is convinced by your petty deceptions? We know what words mean.
- yongjik 1y ago> "creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students." So... did the dean make a public Nazi salute or something? The double standard (if we can even call it a "standard") is getting rather tiring.