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I use a combination of mosh and screen for this. I only need to type something to get my session back, after a reboot. Changing networks or putting my laptop to

I use a combination of mosh and screen for this. I only need to type something to get my session back, after a reboot. Changing networks or putting my laptop to sleep for days doesn't drop my sessions: https://www.grepular.com/Immortal_SSH_Sessions https://www.grepular.com/Immortal_SSH_Sessions

ghkbrew 1y ago
Mosh looks very cool, though I've never used it. Does Screen provide some advantage over tmux in this setup?
- jvanderbot 1y ago
  Yes. Mosh is a seamless replacement for ssh, and screen is a mostly seamless replacement for tmux. One more level is Mosh+byobu, which is so useful I don't even bother with plain terminals most the time.
  - positr0n 1y ago
    Haha I think you have the history backwards here. Tmux was created as a replacement for screen when it was 20 years old! Speaking as someone with ‘set -g prefix c-a’ in their .tmux.conf because my muscle memory is so used to the screen hotkeys. GNU screen was released in 1987. tmux was created in 2007.
    - jvanderbot 1y ago
      Hey maybe I do! Great to learn the history here. Regardless, my point is that Byobu is very nice compared to either. That may now be lost due to my careless comment.
  - saagarjha 1y ago
    It's seamless until you want to scroll.
- lostdog 1y ago
  Mosh does not support OSC52, so it's a barrier to getting copy/paste to work.
  - brontitall 1y ago
    On mobile so I’m not sure which case OSC52 applies to, but I use mosh+tmux 8-10 hours a day. Both bracketed paste and tmux selection setting local clipboard work fine
  - kzrdude 1y ago
    And case in point, mosh is another terminal layer, it's also a multiplexer of sorts. I've used mosh a lot but it's just interesting to note it's in the same category as screen and tmux
  - attentive 1y ago
    it sort of does support it, except it doesn't work with tmux.
- radiofreeeuropa 1y ago
  Mosh is excellent. It lets remote sessions survive (well, automatically and transparently recover from) disruption that reliably kills ssh. I basically don't use ssh at all any more for interactive sessions, because I'm sick of a few lost packets on wifi or a weak cell signal dropping my connections and forcing me to start over. Tmux, I used to use and eventually abandoned. I decided I didn't need two keyboard-based window managers (I use Spectacle on Mac) and the one that was only for shells was the one that could go. I have replaced it with nothing, so far, aside from that I just open more Terminal.app windows now (I also used to use iTerm2, for years, until it dawned on me that I was using exactly nothing in it that's not also provided by Terminal.app, and the latter's got better input latency, so I was suffering an extra installed program and slightly less responsive typing for no reason at all)
nyarlathotep_ 1y ago
Mosh is incredibly useful. I have sessions running from uptime until reboot with machines (pis and a desktop) on my local network from my laptop. I leave with the laptop, return days later, and perform no manual intervention to reconnect. It's absolutely brilliant.
- anthk 1y ago
  I used mosh when my data plan plumetted to 2.7 KBPS (~ISDN/2G speeds). I connected to a public Unix server and read news, IRC'ed, IM'ed and such like crazy. Also, without being connected to a Pubnix, IRC and Gopher did it fine, the web with patience, and the same with Gemini (gemini://gemi.dev has been really useful to read news and scrap a 95% of unneeded scripts and trackers from web sites). Usenet was slow on fetching, but totally readable the next morning, and, better, offline.
sintax 1y ago
Other options for resumable sessions: tmux/screen + https://eternalterminal.dev/ https://eternalterminal.dev/ or https://wezterm.org/ https://wezterm.org/ which can resume open windows like you get with iTerm2+tmux.

ghkbrew 1y ago

Mosh looks very cool, though I've never used it. Does Screen provide some advantage over tmux in this setup?

jvanderbot 1y ago
Yes. Mosh is a seamless replacement for ssh, and screen is a mostly seamless replacement for tmux. One more level is Mosh+byobu, which is so useful I don't even bother with plain terminals most the time.
- positr0n 1y ago
  Haha I think you have the history backwards here. Tmux was created as a replacement for screen when it was 20 years old! Speaking as someone with ‘set -g prefix c-a’ in their .tmux.conf because my muscle memory is so used to the screen hotkeys. GNU screen was released in 1987. tmux was created in 2007.
  - jvanderbot 1y ago
    Hey maybe I do! Great to learn the history here. Regardless, my point is that Byobu is very nice compared to either. That may now be lost due to my careless comment.
- saagarjha 1y ago
  It's seamless until you want to scroll.
lostdog 1y ago
Mosh does not support OSC52, so it's a barrier to getting copy/paste to work.
- brontitall 1y ago
  On mobile so I’m not sure which case OSC52 applies to, but I use mosh+tmux 8-10 hours a day. Both bracketed paste and tmux selection setting local clipboard work fine
- kzrdude 1y ago
  And case in point, mosh is another terminal layer, it's also a multiplexer of sorts. I've used mosh a lot but it's just interesting to note it's in the same category as screen and tmux
- attentive 1y ago
  it sort of does support it, except it doesn't work with tmux.
radiofreeeuropa 1y ago
Mosh is excellent. It lets remote sessions survive (well, automatically and transparently recover from) disruption that reliably kills ssh. I basically don't use ssh at all any more for interactive sessions, because I'm sick of a few lost packets on wifi or a weak cell signal dropping my connections and forcing me to start over. Tmux, I used to use and eventually abandoned. I decided I didn't need two keyboard-based window managers (I use Spectacle on Mac) and the one that was only for shells was the one that could go. I have replaced it with nothing, so far, aside from that I just open more Terminal.app windows now (I also used to use iTerm2, for years, until it dawned on me that I was using exactly nothing in it that's not also provided by Terminal.app, and the latter's got better input latency, so I was suffering an extra installed program and slightly less responsive typing for no reason at all)

nyarlathotep_ 1y ago

Mosh is incredibly useful. I have sessions running from uptime until reboot with machines (pis and a desktop) on my local network from my laptop. I leave with the laptop, return days later, and perform no manual intervention to reconnect. It's absolutely brilliant.

anthk 1y ago
I used mosh when my data plan plumetted to 2.7 KBPS (~ISDN/2G speeds). I connected to a public Unix server and read news, IRC'ed, IM'ed and such like crazy. Also, without being connected to a Pubnix, IRC and Gopher did it fine, the web with patience, and the same with Gemini (gemini://gemi.dev has been really useful to read news and scrap a 95% of unneeded scripts and trackers from web sites). Usenet was slow on fetching, but totally readable the next morning, and, better, offline.

sintax 1y ago

Other options for resumable sessions: tmux/screen + https://eternalterminal.dev/ https://eternalterminal.dev/ or https://wezterm.org/ https://wezterm.org/ which can resume open windows like you get with iTerm2+tmux.