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> Are there still customers giving tips as "a reward for good service"? Sad if this is no longer the case. In the UK at least (and the rest of Europe too, as

by froddd 1y ago

> Are there still customers giving tips as "a reward for good service"? Sad if this is no longer the case. In the UK at least (and the rest of Europe too, as far as I can tell), this is still very much the case. The curve varies with the individuals tipping. I would be quite happy to give 20% if the service was outstanding. I’m equally happy to not tip at all if the service was very poor.

liotier 1y ago
France here - no tip is the norm, tip is for service above & beyond... But, contrary to the USA, everyone gets a proper living wage !
- lesser-shadow 1y ago
  The only issue with restaurants in France is that they close up early, or only open within strict lunch hours.
  - sokoloff 1y ago
    If you're paying a relatively high hourly wage to all of the staff, it seems unsurprising that you'd not want to be open during times of low customer traffic. Honestly, this seems good overall; there's no more sense in having low-paid waitstaff hanging around hoping to get a customer table that will tip than in having a restaurant owner keep the restaurant open while paying the staff a reasonable hourly wage.
- nobleach 1y ago
  In France, I always thought it was customary to leave the change from l'addition. (I'm not French though, so perhaps I was commiting a faux pas) I can confirm in Italy almost no one will even accept a tip. (Taxi drivers, wait-staff, hotel staff)
  - liotier 1y ago
    > leave the change from l'addition Yes, that is the basic tip if you expect to come back to that restaurant and get an upgraded welcome. But even with no tip, being a regular counts - tip or no tip, you are good business and worth cultivating.
- vladvasiliu 1y ago
  Depends on when you are. Making minimum wage while living in Paris isn't exactly a "proper living wage".
  - coldtea 1y ago
    Still it's not the scam that passes for wage in the US (especially considering cost of living and other expenses). And Paris can be anything, from expensive neighborhoods to project suburbs.
  - account42 1y ago
    That isn't the customers problem though nor should it be.
grues-dinner 1y ago
> In the UK at least this is still very much the case. Except for the very pervasive 12.5% "discretionary" service charge the you would have to request to be removed. Which is a genius piece of social engineering.

by froddd 1y ago

liotier 1y ago

France here - no tip is the norm, tip is for service above & beyond... But, contrary to the USA, everyone gets a proper living wage !

lesser-shadow 1y ago
The only issue with restaurants in France is that they close up early, or only open within strict lunch hours.
- sokoloff 1y ago
  If you're paying a relatively high hourly wage to all of the staff, it seems unsurprising that you'd not want to be open during times of low customer traffic. Honestly, this seems good overall; there's no more sense in having low-paid waitstaff hanging around hoping to get a customer table that will tip than in having a restaurant owner keep the restaurant open while paying the staff a reasonable hourly wage.
nobleach 1y ago
In France, I always thought it was customary to leave the change from l'addition. (I'm not French though, so perhaps I was commiting a faux pas) I can confirm in Italy almost no one will even accept a tip. (Taxi drivers, wait-staff, hotel staff)
- liotier 1y ago
  > leave the change from l'addition Yes, that is the basic tip if you expect to come back to that restaurant and get an upgraded welcome. But even with no tip, being a regular counts - tip or no tip, you are good business and worth cultivating.
vladvasiliu 1y ago
Depends on when you are. Making minimum wage while living in Paris isn't exactly a "proper living wage".
- coldtea 1y ago
  Still it's not the scam that passes for wage in the US (especially considering cost of living and other expenses). And Paris can be anything, from expensive neighborhoods to project suburbs.
- account42 1y ago
  That isn't the customers problem though nor should it be.

grues-dinner 1y ago

> In the UK at least this is still very much the case. Except for the very pervasive 12.5% "discretionary" service charge the you would have to request to be removed. Which is a genius piece of social engineering.