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"Not to be rude" my hole. What @CalRobert said is 100% accurate - only we are allowed to criticise Ireland, and criticism is especially unwelcome from Brits and

"Not to be rude" my hole. What @CalRobert said is 100% accurate - only we are allowed to criticise Ireland, and criticism is especially unwelcome from Brits and Yanks

closewith 1y ago
I disagree. Irish are _much more_ receptive to criticism of the country from immigrants than most countries. In my experience, the United States and England (not the entire UK) have the thinnest skin and some people will straight-up tell you to f-off home on the slightest criticism, especially on the subject of human rights or the expeditionary wars. There are of course the usual suspects, the racists and "Pro-Irish" crowd, who will blame everything on immigrants and accept no criticism of their imagined Ireland, but this isn't true in general. However, if you make grand pronouncements from a position of profound ignorance and overtly judge the life choices of your new compatriots - a speciality of the GP - you will find yourself alienated at best. This is true everywhere, not just Ireland.
- marcusb 1y ago
  > I disagree. Irish are _much more_ receptive to criticism of the country from immigrants than most countries. Unless, of course, the criticism is someone making a personal observation about how they saw tipping culture expand during their time in Ireland, right? Then the appropriate response is to generalize that Americans love making ignorant comments about other cultures.
  - closewith 1y ago
    > Unless, of course, the criticism is someone making a personal observation about how they saw tipping culture expand during their time in Ireland, right? Then the appropriate response is to generalize that Americans love making ignorant comments about other cultures. Unless they're factually incorrect, which is the case here.
    - marcusb 1y ago
      The original poster's subjective, personal experience with tipping culture in Ireland is "factually incorrect"? Perhaps they just had a different experience than you.
      - closewith 1y ago
        Yes, it's factually incorrect. As in, it's both not true and they didn't experience it.
        marcusb 1y ago
        Well, they say they did experience it. You cannot possibly know otherwise. There’s also another commenter in this thread who says they’ve lived in Ireland for their entire life and says they’ve experienced the same thing. Then, there’s you. There are two likely explanations I can think of for your behavior here. 1, you are arguing in bad faith. 2, you are unable, for whatever reason, to understand that others might have a different experience in the world than you. In either case, I don’t see any point in continuing this conversation. Have a nice day.

"Not to be rude" my hole. What @CalRobert said is 100% accurate - only we are allowed to criticise Ireland, and criticism is especially unwelcome from Brits and Yanks

closewith 1y ago

I disagree. Irish are _much more_ receptive to criticism of the country from immigrants than most countries. In my experience, the United States and England (not the entire UK) have the thinnest skin and some people will straight-up tell you to f-off home on the slightest criticism, especially on the subject of human rights or the expeditionary wars. There are of course the usual suspects, the racists and "Pro-Irish" crowd, who will blame everything on immigrants and accept no criticism of their imagined Ireland, but this isn't true in general. However, if you make grand pronouncements from a position of profound ignorance and overtly judge the life choices of your new compatriots - a speciality of the GP - you will find yourself alienated at best. This is true everywhere, not just Ireland.

marcusb 1y ago
> I disagree. Irish are _much more_ receptive to criticism of the country from immigrants than most countries. Unless, of course, the criticism is someone making a personal observation about how they saw tipping culture expand during their time in Ireland, right? Then the appropriate response is to generalize that Americans love making ignorant comments about other cultures.
- closewith 1y ago
  > Unless, of course, the criticism is someone making a personal observation about how they saw tipping culture expand during their time in Ireland, right? Then the appropriate response is to generalize that Americans love making ignorant comments about other cultures. Unless they're factually incorrect, which is the case here.
  - marcusb 1y ago
    The original poster's subjective, personal experience with tipping culture in Ireland is "factually incorrect"? Perhaps they just had a different experience than you.
    - closewith 1y ago
      Yes, it's factually incorrect. As in, it's both not true and they didn't experience it.
      - marcusb 1y ago
        Well, they say they did experience it. You cannot possibly know otherwise. There’s also another commenter in this thread who says they’ve lived in Ireland for their entire life and says they’ve experienced the same thing. Then, there’s you. There are two likely explanations I can think of for your behavior here. 1, you are arguing in bad faith. 2, you are unable, for whatever reason, to understand that others might have a different experience in the world than you. In either case, I don’t see any point in continuing this conversation. Have a nice day.