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MS Windows has excellent multi window management with Alt Tab Win Tab etc. Far superior to others. I have all my terminals with distinct icons and background c

by tezza 1y ago

MS Windows has excellent multi window management with Alt Tab Win Tab etc. Far superior to others. I have all my terminals with distinct icons and background colours to tell them apart. The operating system (Windows) does the heavy lifting. i tried Mac for about five years but missed MS Windows “every window can be alt tabbed to”. Mac has “every app can be command tabbed to and therein each app has its own subwindow management”

joleyj 1y ago
> “every app can be command tabbed to and therein each app has its own subwindow management” This is so, so annoying. Your Mac app’s window is minimized? No alt-tab for you!
- foldr 1y ago
  Just don’t minimize the window. Removing a window from the alt-Tab list is basically the only reason to minimize it in the first place on Mac. (Not reflexively minimizing windows does take some time to get used to if you’re coming from Windows, admittedly.)
  - squigz 1y ago
    Macs must have some strange workflows that that's the only use for minimizing... I regularly minimize some applications when I want to focus on others.
    - em-bee 1y ago
      you can use workspaces for that. for comparison, gnome on linux doesn't even support minimizing windows any more. you move windows/apps that you don't want to use right now to a different workspace.
      - wtallis 1y ago
        You can also hide an entire application rather than minimizing specific windows. It'll unhide when you switch back with cmd-tab.
      - hiroantag 1y ago
        gnome does do minimization fine but it's in the tweak tools. probably the first thing I change setting up a new system
    - foldr 1y ago
      Minimization on Mac is essentially a legacy feature. There’s rarely any reason to use it.
  - layer8 1y ago
    On Windows there are applications that minimize to the tray instead of remaining on the task bar. That’s my most common reason to minimize, so that it disappears from the task bar when not in use.
- sceptic123 1y ago
  Just CMD+TAB to your required app, then hit ↓ arrow and you get access to all your windows. Minimised windows appear at the bottom of the screen.
- anthk 1y ago
  WindowMaker under GNU/Linux and BSD was like that too... But, OFC, both WindowMaker and Mac OSX come from the same NeXT grandaddy...
  - em-bee 1y ago
    well, windowmaker only copied the style, so it's more like a reverse adoption, not a descendant.
    - anthk 1y ago
      Not just that, even if Wing Is Not GNUstep. It was built to host tons of GNUStep applications and their behaviour.
      - em-bee 1y ago
        i have used WindowMaker but also the original NeXTstep for years, and WindowMaker's integration with GNUstep apps and its emulation of the NeXTstep interface always felt incomplete.
mkl 1y ago
> MS Windows has excellent multi window management with Alt Tab Win Tab etc. Far superior to others. If by "others" you mean Mac, okay, but KDE and some other Linux desktops are at least as good as Windows at this out of the box, and much more customisable.
squigz 1y ago
Windows has basic window and desktop management, but I would hardly describe it as excellent. Most tiling window managers would provide those features and then more.
sceptic123 1y ago
Whatever fits your mental model I suppose, but every window is accessible via keyboard shortcuts on the Mac too, it just needs a different approach.
- coldpie 1y ago
  Do you know if there is a way to quickly switch between only two individual windows in different applications? A very common paradigm for me is swapping between two windows, for example a terminal session for code editing and a browser window for reference. On Windows and most Linux WMs, this is just a quick alt-tab hit to toggle between the two most recently focused windows. As I know there is no way to do this on macOS without bringing _all_ the windows to the foreground, which is not what I want. This is my #1 complaint about macos, I'd be so happy if there is just some shortcut I'm missing to accomplish this.
  - sceptic123 1y ago
    I'm pretty sure that's part of what stage manager is for — you can drag windows in the same stage and they operate how you want — but there's too much manual setup required for me to realistically suggest it as an alternative. There are a bunch of third party tools you can use though, [AltTab](1) is free and tries to replicate windows experience on Mac. [Raycast](2) has a Switch Windows command which also allows direct access to any window via the keyboard (bind to alt+tab if you like) amongst many other features. [1] https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/ https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/ [2] https://www.raycast.com/ https://www.raycast.com/
    - coldpie 1y ago
      Yeah unfortunately my work doesn't allow 3rd party apps like that (a reasonable restriction, IMO).
  - systoll 1y ago
    Control+F4 - ‘move focus to the active or next window’ is essentially that. (With the caveat that if your keyboard focus winds up on the menu bar or otherwise not on a window at all, control+f4 shifts focus back to the window, rather than switching windows. The main way to make that happen is with the other control-f-key shortcuts that no-one uses, though) If you’re going to use it I’d probably rebind it in the keyboard shortcuts settings.
anthk 1y ago
Alt-tab? You mean pressing win+w under CWM to fuzzy-find windows per title name, and then spawn it?

by tezza 1y ago

joleyj 1y ago

> “every app can be command tabbed to and therein each app has its own subwindow management” This is so, so annoying. Your Mac app’s window is minimized? No alt-tab for you!

foldr 1y ago
Just don’t minimize the window. Removing a window from the alt-Tab list is basically the only reason to minimize it in the first place on Mac. (Not reflexively minimizing windows does take some time to get used to if you’re coming from Windows, admittedly.)
- squigz 1y ago
  Macs must have some strange workflows that that's the only use for minimizing... I regularly minimize some applications when I want to focus on others.
  - em-bee 1y ago
    you can use workspaces for that. for comparison, gnome on linux doesn't even support minimizing windows any more. you move windows/apps that you don't want to use right now to a different workspace.
    - wtallis 1y ago
      You can also hide an entire application rather than minimizing specific windows. It'll unhide when you switch back with cmd-tab.
    - hiroantag 1y ago
      gnome does do minimization fine but it's in the tweak tools. probably the first thing I change setting up a new system
  - foldr 1y ago
    Minimization on Mac is essentially a legacy feature. There’s rarely any reason to use it.
- layer8 1y ago
  On Windows there are applications that minimize to the tray instead of remaining on the task bar. That’s my most common reason to minimize, so that it disappears from the task bar when not in use.
sceptic123 1y ago
Just CMD+TAB to your required app, then hit ↓ arrow and you get access to all your windows. Minimised windows appear at the bottom of the screen.
anthk 1y ago
WindowMaker under GNU/Linux and BSD was like that too... But, OFC, both WindowMaker and Mac OSX come from the same NeXT grandaddy...
- em-bee 1y ago
  well, windowmaker only copied the style, so it's more like a reverse adoption, not a descendant.
  - anthk 1y ago
    Not just that, even if Wing Is Not GNUstep. It was built to host tons of GNUStep applications and their behaviour.
    - em-bee 1y ago
      i have used WindowMaker but also the original NeXTstep for years, and WindowMaker's integration with GNUstep apps and its emulation of the NeXTstep interface always felt incomplete.

mkl 1y ago

> MS Windows has excellent multi window management with Alt Tab Win Tab etc. Far superior to others. If by "others" you mean Mac, okay, but KDE and some other Linux desktops are at least as good as Windows at this out of the box, and much more customisable.

squigz 1y ago

Windows has basic window and desktop management, but I would hardly describe it as excellent. Most tiling window managers would provide those features and then more.

sceptic123 1y ago

Whatever fits your mental model I suppose, but every window is accessible via keyboard shortcuts on the Mac too, it just needs a different approach.

coldpie 1y ago
Do you know if there is a way to quickly switch between only two individual windows in different applications? A very common paradigm for me is swapping between two windows, for example a terminal session for code editing and a browser window for reference. On Windows and most Linux WMs, this is just a quick alt-tab hit to toggle between the two most recently focused windows. As I know there is no way to do this on macOS without bringing _all_ the windows to the foreground, which is not what I want. This is my #1 complaint about macos, I'd be so happy if there is just some shortcut I'm missing to accomplish this.
- sceptic123 1y ago
  I'm pretty sure that's part of what stage manager is for — you can drag windows in the same stage and they operate how you want — but there's too much manual setup required for me to realistically suggest it as an alternative. There are a bunch of third party tools you can use though, [AltTab](1) is free and tries to replicate windows experience on Mac. [Raycast](2) has a Switch Windows command which also allows direct access to any window via the keyboard (bind to alt+tab if you like) amongst many other features. [1] https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/ https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/ [2] https://www.raycast.com/ https://www.raycast.com/
  - coldpie 1y ago
    Yeah unfortunately my work doesn't allow 3rd party apps like that (a reasonable restriction, IMO).
- systoll 1y ago
  Control+F4 - ‘move focus to the active or next window’ is essentially that. (With the caveat that if your keyboard focus winds up on the menu bar or otherwise not on a window at all, control+f4 shifts focus back to the window, rather than switching windows. The main way to make that happen is with the other control-f-key shortcuts that no-one uses, though) If you’re going to use it I’d probably rebind it in the keyboard shortcuts settings.

anthk 1y ago

Alt-tab? You mean pressing win+w under CWM to fuzzy-find windows per title name, and then spawn it?