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Switching to WezTerm has completely eliminated the need for tmux for me - except for stuff I want to run server side, disconnect and come back to.

bezmiran 1y ago
`wezterm ssh` can do this if wezterm is installed on the host.
- zeendo 1y ago
  Yeah - it seems like this is a pretty undersold feature of WezTerm. It has completely eliminated tmux and Zellij for me outside of pairing with others.
barnabee 1y ago
I agree. I've used first Kitty and more recently WezTerm (and now occasionally Ghostty, too) for years and every time I've tried tmux/zellij I've found nothing (except as you say for occasional long running server sessions) in either that justifies the noticable latency increase for me.
strobe 1y ago
same, and those 2 plugins together completely eliminated need for tmux/zelij locally - https://github.com/MLFlexer/smart_workspace_switcher.wezterm https://github.com/MLFlexer/smart_workspace_switcher.wezterm - https://github.com/MLFlexer/resurrect.wezterm https://github.com/MLFlexer/resurrect.wezterm
- zeendo 1y ago
  These seem nice but honestly feel like overkill for the most basic (and probably most typical?) use of tmux and similar. I generally have a single session I care about per machine (rather than per project) and wezterm's built-in multiplexing handles this out of the box.
aragilar 1y ago
Maybe I'm a bit weird, but I don't know why you'd want to run tmux locally as an alternative to using tiling wm/tabs/other equivalent feature of your terminal emulator? I use tmux in two ways: 1. Persistent long-running sessions (which typically involve having more than one tty going at once, so something like shpool seems like a downgrade). 2. Local named-network-namespace sessions where I'm connected to a VPN and so not having to reconnect to the same namespace/vpn for every new tty is a benefit. Also, if you do physically connect to a headless machine, it's nice to not need to keep having to open a new getty session (or be able to log out of a session) ;)
- em-bee 1y ago
  i have 5 tmux sessions with a total of 19 windows on my laptop, one of which contains a localhost ssh connection to a second account where i have another tmux session with half a dozen windows. not to mention the tmux sessions i have on my servers. the key benefit is i only need to learn one set of commands to switch sessions and windows, and to create new windows. the sessions all run in a single terminal window, so when i have multiple other windows, i don't have to switch between them to find the right terminal window. terminals have tabs, but they don't group tabs into sessions. a single terminal with 19 tabs would not work. i use the gui to start the terminal. i would have to find out how to script starting a terminal with multiple tabs. tmux is more easily scriptable, and again, i can't avoid learning tmux, since i use it remotely, and so when using it locally too, i don't have to learn a different way for my local machine. finally, although rarely needed, i can log out, or my gui can crash, but the tmux sessions survive. i can also connect to my laptop from a different device and attach to the tmux sessions that way. for a gui terminal to replace tmux the foremost feature i need is for it to remember my windows and tabs, just like the browser does. i have not come across any terminal that does that (but i admit, i haven't done a exhaustive search either). gnome (or any WM) can remember which apps i have open, but it can't remember the state inside the apps. being able to reproduce state is really the key. i have a few vim sessions for example, easily remembered and recalled from my command line history. i could use gvim if i could figure out how to connect a gvim window with a terminal such that they form one unit, because every vim session is connected a number of commandline operations. (i believe BeOS/haiku can potentially do that based on the way its window tabs work)
zeendo 1y ago
Run WezTerm on the server, too. https://wezterm.org/multiplexing.html https://wezterm.org/multiplexing.html
- panki27 1y ago
  Thank you, already knew about it though. WezTerm is not necessarily something I want to deploy and keep up to date on hundreds of machines, screen/tmux are still fine for that.
selectnull 1y ago
I'm the same. And I run tmux on server when needed. Best of both worlds.

bezmiran 1y ago

`wezterm ssh` can do this if wezterm is installed on the host.

zeendo 1y ago
Yeah - it seems like this is a pretty undersold feature of WezTerm. It has completely eliminated tmux and Zellij for me outside of pairing with others.

barnabee 1y ago

I agree. I've used first Kitty and more recently WezTerm (and now occasionally Ghostty, too) for years and every time I've tried tmux/zellij I've found nothing (except as you say for occasional long running server sessions) in either that justifies the noticable latency increase for me.

strobe 1y ago

same, and those 2 plugins together completely eliminated need for tmux/zelij locally - https://github.com/MLFlexer/smart_workspace_switcher.wezterm https://github.com/MLFlexer/smart_workspace_switcher.wezterm - https://github.com/MLFlexer/resurrect.wezterm https://github.com/MLFlexer/resurrect.wezterm

zeendo 1y ago
These seem nice but honestly feel like overkill for the most basic (and probably most typical?) use of tmux and similar. I generally have a single session I care about per machine (rather than per project) and wezterm's built-in multiplexing handles this out of the box.

aragilar 1y ago

Maybe I'm a bit weird, but I don't know why you'd want to run tmux locally as an alternative to using tiling wm/tabs/other equivalent feature of your terminal emulator? I use tmux in two ways: 1. Persistent long-running sessions (which typically involve having more than one tty going at once, so something like shpool seems like a downgrade). 2. Local named-network-namespace sessions where I'm connected to a VPN and so not having to reconnect to the same namespace/vpn for every new tty is a benefit. Also, if you do physically connect to a headless machine, it's nice to not need to keep having to open a new getty session (or be able to log out of a session) ;)

em-bee 1y ago
i have 5 tmux sessions with a total of 19 windows on my laptop, one of which contains a localhost ssh connection to a second account where i have another tmux session with half a dozen windows. not to mention the tmux sessions i have on my servers. the key benefit is i only need to learn one set of commands to switch sessions and windows, and to create new windows. the sessions all run in a single terminal window, so when i have multiple other windows, i don't have to switch between them to find the right terminal window. terminals have tabs, but they don't group tabs into sessions. a single terminal with 19 tabs would not work. i use the gui to start the terminal. i would have to find out how to script starting a terminal with multiple tabs. tmux is more easily scriptable, and again, i can't avoid learning tmux, since i use it remotely, and so when using it locally too, i don't have to learn a different way for my local machine. finally, although rarely needed, i can log out, or my gui can crash, but the tmux sessions survive. i can also connect to my laptop from a different device and attach to the tmux sessions that way. for a gui terminal to replace tmux the foremost feature i need is for it to remember my windows and tabs, just like the browser does. i have not come across any terminal that does that (but i admit, i haven't done a exhaustive search either). gnome (or any WM) can remember which apps i have open, but it can't remember the state inside the apps. being able to reproduce state is really the key. i have a few vim sessions for example, easily remembered and recalled from my command line history. i could use gvim if i could figure out how to connect a gvim window with a terminal such that they form one unit, because every vim session is connected a number of commandline operations. (i believe BeOS/haiku can potentially do that based on the way its window tabs work)

zeendo 1y ago

Run WezTerm on the server, too. https://wezterm.org/multiplexing.html https://wezterm.org/multiplexing.html

panki27 1y ago
Thank you, already knew about it though. WezTerm is not necessarily something I want to deploy and keep up to date on hundreds of machines, screen/tmux are still fine for that.

selectnull 1y ago

I'm the same. And I run tmux on server when needed. Best of both worlds.