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I'm happy to discuss different methods of age verification, I agree I don't want websites copying my ID. However, I'm not against the concept of age verificati

I'm happy to discuss different methods of age verification, I agree I don't want websites copying my ID. However, I'm not against the concept of age verification, and believe it can be done well. How old are you, to make that last comment just because you need your ID to buy a beer?

rpdillon 1y ago
> just because you need your ID to buy a beer You keep making this comparison, but it's not appropriate. The closest real-world analogy: in order to buy alcohol, you need to wear a tracking bracelet at all times, and be identified at every store you enter, even you you choose to purchase nothing. If our automated systems can't identify you with certainty, you'll be limited to only being able to do things a child could do. And the real world has a huge gap between a child and an adult. If an 8-year old walked into Home Depot and bought a circular saw, there's no law against it, but the store might have questions. If a 14-year old did it, you might get a different result. At 17, they'd almost certainly let you. The real world has people that are observing things and using judgement. Submitting to automated age checks online is not that.
- CJefferson 1y ago
  It's appropriate (to me) as a limit society has decided it wants, and we should consider if there is a reason similar limits should, or should not, apply to the internet. The whole article we are discussing is how that could be implemented in a much more privacy-sade way.
  - rpdillon 1y ago
    But my point is that it won't be. The laws are getting passed, and there is no privacy preservation, there are no ZKPs, there's nothing except "submit your ID". You keep holding out for good faith, but the folks making the rules aren't acting in good faith. I very much appreciate the discussion here, but I think we're coming into the discussion with a different set of priors, so even if our values match, we might not agree.
    - rpdillon 1y ago
      Just to emphasize the point, the EU's age verification laws are actively preventing Android users from utilizing third party app stores because the implementation is tied to Google Play integrity services. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44801851 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44801851 Just extremely clear that the implementation is an afterthought.
jrflowers 1y ago
> However, I'm not against the concept of age verification Why did you not tell the stranger on the internet how old you are? > How old are you You obviously didn’t miss the question. You saw it and threw it back at them. Why did you do that instead of answering with your age when somebody asked for it? Apropos of nothing I’m going to include a link in my post https://www.google.com/search?q=boob https://www.google.com/search?q=boob
- CJefferson 1y ago
  I didn't take the age request seriously, as it was followed by an insult. I'm 44. It's not a secret, my name is on my 'about me', then a quick Google would find my age.

rpdillon 1y ago

> just because you need your ID to buy a beer You keep making this comparison, but it's not appropriate. The closest real-world analogy: in order to buy alcohol, you need to wear a tracking bracelet at all times, and be identified at every store you enter, even you you choose to purchase nothing. If our automated systems can't identify you with certainty, you'll be limited to only being able to do things a child could do. And the real world has a huge gap between a child and an adult. If an 8-year old walked into Home Depot and bought a circular saw, there's no law against it, but the store might have questions. If a 14-year old did it, you might get a different result. At 17, they'd almost certainly let you. The real world has people that are observing things and using judgement. Submitting to automated age checks online is not that.

CJefferson 1y ago
It's appropriate (to me) as a limit society has decided it wants, and we should consider if there is a reason similar limits should, or should not, apply to the internet. The whole article we are discussing is how that could be implemented in a much more privacy-sade way.
- rpdillon 1y ago
  But my point is that it won't be. The laws are getting passed, and there is no privacy preservation, there are no ZKPs, there's nothing except "submit your ID". You keep holding out for good faith, but the folks making the rules aren't acting in good faith. I very much appreciate the discussion here, but I think we're coming into the discussion with a different set of priors, so even if our values match, we might not agree.
  - rpdillon 1y ago
    Just to emphasize the point, the EU's age verification laws are actively preventing Android users from utilizing third party app stores because the implementation is tied to Google Play integrity services. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44801851 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44801851 Just extremely clear that the implementation is an afterthought.

jrflowers 1y ago

> However, I'm not against the concept of age verification Why did you not tell the stranger on the internet how old you are? > How old are you You obviously didn’t miss the question. You saw it and threw it back at them. Why did you do that instead of answering with your age when somebody asked for it? Apropos of nothing I’m going to include a link in my post https://www.google.com/search?q=boob https://www.google.com/search?q=boob

CJefferson 1y ago
I didn't take the age request seriously, as it was followed by an insult. I'm 44. It's not a secret, my name is on my 'about me', then a quick Google would find my age.