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Yep. It's wonderful throwing a few extra bucks to some euro waiter and watching them treat you better than everyone else.

omnimus 1y ago
When they treat you better? In the last 2 minutes after you payed just before you leave?
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > In the last 2 minutes after you payed just before you leave? Definitely the next time I come back. Restaurant workers should earn a good wage. Tipping should not be mandatory. But tips, in particular large tips, are fine and work globally.
  - Gud 1y ago
    Why?
  - kergonath 1y ago
    You know what works even better? Being a friendly and nice person. It has the added bonus that when they greet you and "treat you better" (whatever you mean by that) next time you’ll know it’s not just because of your wallet.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > You know what works even better? Being a friendly and nice person I do both. And I don’t always leave a large tip. If I’m having a good quarter or year, I’ll share it. If I’m not, I can’t. At the end of the day, they’re running a business and I’m a customer. If we’re friends I’ll buy them dinner (and they’ll comp random stuff).
      - exe34 1y ago
        > and they’ll comp random stuff You should send a thank you note to the owner!
    - ecb_penguin 1y ago
      > You know what works even better? Being a friendly and nice person. Not mutually exclusive :)
  - itake 1y ago
    What do you think about the tip-free section in: https://www.mollymoon.com/icecreamforeveryone https://www.mollymoon.com/icecreamforeveryone Quick summary: - Tipping results in lower pay for certain genders and races. - laws that protect employees don't apply to customers. Your boss can't make inappropriate comments and pay you less if you complain. But if a customer makes inappropriate comments, its perfectly legal for the customer to pay you less if you reject their advances.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      I don’t think any of this is fixed by banning tips. As I said, tipping shouldn’t be mandatory nor required for someone to make a living serving, frankly, relatively wealthy people and experience. If someone owns a restaurant, I can show gratitude by coming more. If my clients like me, they can show gratitude by giving me more business. If a server does a great job independent of their employer, a tip is a good way of showing that. (That said, if a group of employees has agreed to no tips, they should refuse them and one shouldn’t push.)
      - itake 1y ago
        customers can legally tip different depending on race and genders, employers cannot. > If a server does a great job independent of their employer, a tip is a good way of showing that. The problem is customers perceive "great job" more often when the person is from a certain race or gender or body shape. This creates an inequitable environment.
maxbond 1y ago
I'm curious whether you have ever worked in the service industry?
- happymellon 1y ago
  I have, in the UK. Probably 95% of customers didn't tip. I didn't have any problems with this. Why? I was nice to people because that was my job, but when I've travelled to the US I have definitely seen entitled customers treat staff like shit and claiming it's their right because they were tipping. Tipping as standard should go out the window, it just drives customers to be assholes.
  - maxbond 1y ago
    I worked in a fast food restaurant here in the States, people tipped but usually not well. I wasn't pressed about it, I was getting a full minimum wage. Entitled customers didn't give me trouble for whatever reason, they seemed to size up my coworkers as softer targets. > Why? I was just curious about how OP's experience informed their perspective.
    - happymellon 1y ago
      When visiting the States I have observed on a couple of occasions where a customer shouted at staff and used the threat of withholding a tip as leverage to be unreasonably nasty to wait staff. The service industry in the US is awful, and the tipping culture is really toxic. I don't understand those that defend the American approach.
      - maxbond 1y ago
        To be clear, I don't defend it. I'm mildly against it. Unfortunately I don't in it's at the root of entitled customer behavior in the States, I think there's a deeper cultural contempt for service workers. You'll see similar behavior towards workers who aren't tipped but who provide some sort of face-to-face service, like cashiers and teachers.
Ballas 1y ago
In my experience they are often confused and sometimes insulted. Generally I found tipping to add friction to the transaction.
preommr 1y ago
> "treat you better than everyone else." People say this, but what is better service? It's not like you get better or more food, or get the food faster since all that depends on the kitchen that isn't getting tipped directly. It's pretty much them coming to your table to take your order. I'd much rather have a free burger or drink (the equivalent of what I could get instead of tipping) with the slow service than get my water refilled every 5 minutes.
- exe34 1y ago
  It means the pretty girl flirts with him. Otherwise why would she?
- TylerE 1y ago
  > It's not like you get better or more food, or get the food faster since all that depends on the kitchen Oh, trust me, go to a decent place, be a regular, tip decently (not even extravagantly), you absolutely get looked after. For instance, several of my usual lunch spots my usual fountain drink is often "water" on the bill.
  - fireflash38 1y ago
    Isn't that then stealing from the owner? I just don't think of a way you can have tipping and it not create perverse incentives like that.
    - tarentel 1y ago
      It's likely not like this everywhere but I've become a regular at a few places over my life time and asked about this. At least where I've been, it is actually all tracked. Generally, at least at bars, the people coming in and tipping well, are people who come in often and spend a lot to begin with so over the long run they end up making it back anyway. And honestly, when you're new to a city/place and don't have a lot of friends/are single, and you walk in somewhere and are greeted by name and served your usual without asking it's a nice retreat.
closewith 1y ago
I think most of the time this happens, you just don't realise the wait staff is patronising you. You certainly aren't buying better service.
iammrpayments 1y ago
When I visited the US I’ve noticed some waiters would treat you worse or just ignore if they found out you were a tourist, so when I could I would order something small and pay right away with tip, just to get basic service. So your comment makes 0 sense.
Panoramix 1y ago
That sounds a lot like bribing
kelnos 1y ago
That feels disturbingly like a lite version of paying someone to be your friend. Maybe we should just all treat each other well (in both directions) and not reduce manners and social graces to a financial transaction.

omnimus 1y ago

When they treat you better? In the last 2 minutes after you payed just before you leave?

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> In the last 2 minutes after you payed just before you leave? Definitely the next time I come back. Restaurant workers should earn a good wage. Tipping should not be mandatory. But tips, in particular large tips, are fine and work globally.
- Gud 1y ago
  Why?
- kergonath 1y ago
  You know what works even better? Being a friendly and nice person. It has the added bonus that when they greet you and "treat you better" (whatever you mean by that) next time you’ll know it’s not just because of your wallet.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > You know what works even better? Being a friendly and nice person I do both. And I don’t always leave a large tip. If I’m having a good quarter or year, I’ll share it. If I’m not, I can’t. At the end of the day, they’re running a business and I’m a customer. If we’re friends I’ll buy them dinner (and they’ll comp random stuff).
    - exe34 1y ago
      > and they’ll comp random stuff You should send a thank you note to the owner!
  - ecb_penguin 1y ago
    > You know what works even better? Being a friendly and nice person. Not mutually exclusive :)
- itake 1y ago
  What do you think about the tip-free section in: https://www.mollymoon.com/icecreamforeveryone https://www.mollymoon.com/icecreamforeveryone Quick summary: - Tipping results in lower pay for certain genders and races. - laws that protect employees don't apply to customers. Your boss can't make inappropriate comments and pay you less if you complain. But if a customer makes inappropriate comments, its perfectly legal for the customer to pay you less if you reject their advances.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    I don’t think any of this is fixed by banning tips. As I said, tipping shouldn’t be mandatory nor required for someone to make a living serving, frankly, relatively wealthy people and experience. If someone owns a restaurant, I can show gratitude by coming more. If my clients like me, they can show gratitude by giving me more business. If a server does a great job independent of their employer, a tip is a good way of showing that. (That said, if a group of employees has agreed to no tips, they should refuse them and one shouldn’t push.)
    - itake 1y ago
      customers can legally tip different depending on race and genders, employers cannot. > If a server does a great job independent of their employer, a tip is a good way of showing that. The problem is customers perceive "great job" more often when the person is from a certain race or gender or body shape. This creates an inequitable environment.

maxbond 1y ago

I'm curious whether you have ever worked in the service industry?

happymellon 1y ago
I have, in the UK. Probably 95% of customers didn't tip. I didn't have any problems with this. Why? I was nice to people because that was my job, but when I've travelled to the US I have definitely seen entitled customers treat staff like shit and claiming it's their right because they were tipping. Tipping as standard should go out the window, it just drives customers to be assholes.
- maxbond 1y ago
  I worked in a fast food restaurant here in the States, people tipped but usually not well. I wasn't pressed about it, I was getting a full minimum wage. Entitled customers didn't give me trouble for whatever reason, they seemed to size up my coworkers as softer targets. > Why? I was just curious about how OP's experience informed their perspective.
  - happymellon 1y ago
    When visiting the States I have observed on a couple of occasions where a customer shouted at staff and used the threat of withholding a tip as leverage to be unreasonably nasty to wait staff. The service industry in the US is awful, and the tipping culture is really toxic. I don't understand those that defend the American approach.
    - maxbond 1y ago
      To be clear, I don't defend it. I'm mildly against it. Unfortunately I don't in it's at the root of entitled customer behavior in the States, I think there's a deeper cultural contempt for service workers. You'll see similar behavior towards workers who aren't tipped but who provide some sort of face-to-face service, like cashiers and teachers.

Ballas 1y ago

In my experience they are often confused and sometimes insulted. Generally I found tipping to add friction to the transaction.

preommr 1y ago

> "treat you better than everyone else." People say this, but what is better service? It's not like you get better or more food, or get the food faster since all that depends on the kitchen that isn't getting tipped directly. It's pretty much them coming to your table to take your order. I'd much rather have a free burger or drink (the equivalent of what I could get instead of tipping) with the slow service than get my water refilled every 5 minutes.

exe34 1y ago
It means the pretty girl flirts with him. Otherwise why would she?
TylerE 1y ago
> It's not like you get better or more food, or get the food faster since all that depends on the kitchen Oh, trust me, go to a decent place, be a regular, tip decently (not even extravagantly), you absolutely get looked after. For instance, several of my usual lunch spots my usual fountain drink is often "water" on the bill.
- fireflash38 1y ago
  Isn't that then stealing from the owner? I just don't think of a way you can have tipping and it not create perverse incentives like that.
  - tarentel 1y ago
    It's likely not like this everywhere but I've become a regular at a few places over my life time and asked about this. At least where I've been, it is actually all tracked. Generally, at least at bars, the people coming in and tipping well, are people who come in often and spend a lot to begin with so over the long run they end up making it back anyway. And honestly, when you're new to a city/place and don't have a lot of friends/are single, and you walk in somewhere and are greeted by name and served your usual without asking it's a nice retreat.

closewith 1y ago

I think most of the time this happens, you just don't realise the wait staff is patronising you. You certainly aren't buying better service.

iammrpayments 1y ago

When I visited the US I’ve noticed some waiters would treat you worse or just ignore if they found out you were a tourist, so when I could I would order something small and pay right away with tip, just to get basic service. So your comment makes 0 sense.

Panoramix 1y ago

That sounds a lot like bribing

kelnos 1y ago

That feels disturbingly like a lite version of paying someone to be your friend. Maybe we should just all treat each other well (in both directions) and not reduce manners and social graces to a financial transaction.