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Why not have one organization that collects $1 from everyone to fight on behalf?

andyferris 1y ago
Should we call the organization “government” and the fee “tax”? </s> It’s not a bad idea but it’s funny we need a funded people’s organisation to represent us to the democratic government! I wonder if we need direct voting rights (for legislation etc) - now that we live in the internet age it may be feasible. Not sure how else to have the many overwhelming the few.
- coderatlarge 1y ago
  like a peoples’ line item veto online?
rekenaut 1y ago
Because whether the government gets it or this collective organization gets it, you’re still out a $1. Besides, very few people will actually care enough about $1 to partake in literally any amount of effort to regain it.
- bryanrasmussen 1y ago
  I'm pretty sure any law that costs you 1 dollar will cost you 1 dollar per year, or 1 dollar some other shorter amount of time. And anyway the actual law under discussion is bad not because it costs you 1 dollar per year, but because it costs you other things. Also this how people do fight against this kind of thing, they join non-profits or other organizations, give them 1 dollar per year and use the combined might of the organization. But yes at that point you are paying 1 dollar per year that way too, but then, as already noted this is not really a 1 dollar per year law. And then we see that in fact people often do care about 1 dollar per year, because they are not joining the organizations, even to protect things worth more than 1 dollar per year.
  - account42 1y ago
    Opposing the law will also be an ongoing process as those benefiting can just push for the changes again under a different name.
cookiengineer 1y ago
Check out the Chaos Computer Club. They're actively fighting this. https://www.ccc.de https://www.ccc.de
somebodythere 1y ago
Roughly, this is the Electronic Frontier Foundation (and comparable lobbying orgs in other countries.) However, an org like this doesn't have much power to compel individuals to give them $1.

Should we call the organization “government” and the fee “tax”? </s> It’s not a bad idea but it’s funny we need a funded people’s organisation to represent us to the democratic government! I wonder if we need direct voting rights (for legislation etc) - now that we live in the internet age it may be feasible. Not sure how else to have the many overwhelming the few.

coderatlarge 1y ago
like a peoples’ line item veto online?

rekenaut 1y ago

Because whether the government gets it or this collective organization gets it, you’re still out a $1. Besides, very few people will actually care enough about $1 to partake in literally any amount of effort to regain it.

bryanrasmussen 1y ago
I'm pretty sure any law that costs you 1 dollar will cost you 1 dollar per year, or 1 dollar some other shorter amount of time. And anyway the actual law under discussion is bad not because it costs you 1 dollar per year, but because it costs you other things. Also this how people do fight against this kind of thing, they join non-profits or other organizations, give them 1 dollar per year and use the combined might of the organization. But yes at that point you are paying 1 dollar per year that way too, but then, as already noted this is not really a 1 dollar per year law. And then we see that in fact people often do care about 1 dollar per year, because they are not joining the organizations, even to protect things worth more than 1 dollar per year.
- account42 1y ago
  Opposing the law will also be an ongoing process as those benefiting can just push for the changes again under a different name.

cookiengineer 1y ago

Check out the Chaos Computer Club. They're actively fighting this. https://www.ccc.de https://www.ccc.de

somebodythere 1y ago

Roughly, this is the Electronic Frontier Foundation (and comparable lobbying orgs in other countries.) However, an org like this doesn't have much power to compel individuals to give them $1.