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>So far younger people don't seem any more fucked up than people were before, only the older people seem to be getting worse. If you look at levels of depressi

>So far younger people don't seem any more fucked up than people were before, only the older people seem to be getting worse. If you look at levels of depression, sexual disfunction the steep drop in relationships and dating among younger people and other metrics you could argue the exact opposite, although obviously there are other factors (social media, ect) in how "messed up" generations are besides the widespread watching of porn by children.

tokioyoyo 1y ago
> there are other factors (social media, ect) "Other factors" is doing a heavy lifting here. I don't have a skin in this game, but politicians are scared to touch the elephant in the room (smartphones + social media), because they know they'll get a flack instantly. I don't think porn consumption among teenage girls are high, yet their depression rates are high as well.
- refactor_master 1y ago
  If you go one level up in "abstraction" for what these platforms include, then e.g. Instagram immediately springs to mind. But since they've long since washed their hands, having banned nipples.
- Gigachad 1y ago
  IMO social media is far more damaging than porn
- StanislavPetrov 1y ago
  No skin in the game here either. I'd agree that smartphones and social media are also very damaging. >I don't think porn consumption among teenage girls are high, yet their depression rates are high as well. That isn't what the data says. >Seventy-three percent of the respondents (75 percent of boys and 70 percent of girls) said they had watched online pornography. The average age they started was 12. Many began younger. >Seven in 10 who admitted they had watched porn intentionally said they had done so in the past week. >Four in 10 said they had watched pornography, including nudity and sexual acts, during the school day. Almost half said they had done so on school-owned devices. >Of those who watched the past week, 80 percent said they had seen “what appears to be rape, choking, or someone in pain.” >Fewer than half (43 percent) said they had discussed pornography with a trusted adult. (Robb and Mann, 2023). https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/raising-kind-kids/202305/new-report-finds-most-teens-watch-online-pornography https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/raising-kind-kids/20... I'm certainly no puritan, but it seems absurd to me to suggest that this early and mostly ubiquitous exposure to (often violent) pornography doesn't have a significant negative effect on the developing minds of children. Edit: Just to be clear, my contention that children watching pornography is harmful to their development is in no way an endorsement of the crusade to force users to link their IDs to their online accounts under the fig leaf of "protecting children" (the universal trope used to deprive people of their rights).
  - tokioyoyo 1y ago
    > had watched online pornography This is very broad, we both know what "being too much into porn" means. I doubt that an average girl watches as much porn as an average man. And let me put it this way, most of my friends (guys and girls) are far from being puritan. Consumption type between these two groups is significantly different. But I might be making stuff up. I just think social media is more damaging, because kids start comparing themselves to everyone else. In this case, everyone else became "global everyone else" rather than "local everyone else" (which was the case back in my middle school days). I feel like that's the biggest problem, because you people see what they're missing out on, which is basically unavailable to 99% of population. That simple thought process would bring down any kid.
    - StanislavPetrov 1y ago
      >I doubt that an average girl watches as much porn as an average man. If you are talking about men and women, perhaps that is true. I'm not of the opinion that watching pornography as an adult matters much one way or the other once your psyche is fully developed. The original OP regarded children and their development, and the study I cited was taken among children aged 13-17. These aren't my numbers, this is a peer-reviewed study. >Seven in 10 who admitted they had watched porn intentionally said they had done so in the past week. >Seventy-three percent of the respondents (75 percent of boys and 70 percent of girls) said they had watched online pornography. The average age they started was 12. Many began younger. I also think social media is more damaging to children, but it isn't a zero sum game. With or without social media, I don't see how anyone can credibly argue that child exposure to (often extremely violent) hardcore pornography isn't a contributing negative factor.

tokioyoyo 1y ago

> there are other factors (social media, ect) "Other factors" is doing a heavy lifting here. I don't have a skin in this game, but politicians are scared to touch the elephant in the room (smartphones + social media), because they know they'll get a flack instantly. I don't think porn consumption among teenage girls are high, yet their depression rates are high as well.

refactor_master 1y ago
If you go one level up in "abstraction" for what these platforms include, then e.g. Instagram immediately springs to mind. But since they've long since washed their hands, having banned nipples.
Gigachad 1y ago
IMO social media is far more damaging than porn
StanislavPetrov 1y ago
No skin in the game here either. I'd agree that smartphones and social media are also very damaging. >I don't think porn consumption among teenage girls are high, yet their depression rates are high as well. That isn't what the data says. >Seventy-three percent of the respondents (75 percent of boys and 70 percent of girls) said they had watched online pornography. The average age they started was 12. Many began younger. >Seven in 10 who admitted they had watched porn intentionally said they had done so in the past week. >Four in 10 said they had watched pornography, including nudity and sexual acts, during the school day. Almost half said they had done so on school-owned devices. >Of those who watched the past week, 80 percent said they had seen “what appears to be rape, choking, or someone in pain.” >Fewer than half (43 percent) said they had discussed pornography with a trusted adult. (Robb and Mann, 2023). https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/raising-kind-kids/202305/new-report-finds-most-teens-watch-online-pornography https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/raising-kind-kids/20... I'm certainly no puritan, but it seems absurd to me to suggest that this early and mostly ubiquitous exposure to (often violent) pornography doesn't have a significant negative effect on the developing minds of children. Edit: Just to be clear, my contention that children watching pornography is harmful to their development is in no way an endorsement of the crusade to force users to link their IDs to their online accounts under the fig leaf of "protecting children" (the universal trope used to deprive people of their rights).
- tokioyoyo 1y ago
  > had watched online pornography This is very broad, we both know what "being too much into porn" means. I doubt that an average girl watches as much porn as an average man. And let me put it this way, most of my friends (guys and girls) are far from being puritan. Consumption type between these two groups is significantly different. But I might be making stuff up. I just think social media is more damaging, because kids start comparing themselves to everyone else. In this case, everyone else became "global everyone else" rather than "local everyone else" (which was the case back in my middle school days). I feel like that's the biggest problem, because you people see what they're missing out on, which is basically unavailable to 99% of population. That simple thought process would bring down any kid.
  - StanislavPetrov 1y ago
    >I doubt that an average girl watches as much porn as an average man. If you are talking about men and women, perhaps that is true. I'm not of the opinion that watching pornography as an adult matters much one way or the other once your psyche is fully developed. The original OP regarded children and their development, and the study I cited was taken among children aged 13-17. These aren't my numbers, this is a peer-reviewed study. >Seven in 10 who admitted they had watched porn intentionally said they had done so in the past week. >Seventy-three percent of the respondents (75 percent of boys and 70 percent of girls) said they had watched online pornography. The average age they started was 12. Many began younger. I also think social media is more damaging to children, but it isn't a zero sum game. With or without social media, I don't see how anyone can credibly argue that child exposure to (often extremely violent) hardcore pornography isn't a contributing negative factor.