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> Get back to me when it actually happens Hello from 2013, and here you go! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/SurfaceRT#Secure_Boot https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Surf

by Lammy 1y ago

> Get back to me when it actually happens Hello from 2013, and here you go! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/SurfaceRT#Secure_Boot https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/SurfaceRT#Secure_Boot https://openrt.gitbook.io/open-surfacert/common/boot-sequence/uefi/secure-boot https://openrt.gitbook.io/open-surfacert/common/boot-sequenc...

LeoPanthera 1y ago
This is only true if you count ARM tablets as "PCs", which most people don't.
- Lammy 1y ago
  No, UEFI Secure Boot is UEFI Secure Boot. The fact that Microsoft exercised this ability twelve entire years ago on a platform where they thought they could get away with it makes it worse, not better.
  - tsimionescu 1y ago
    The fact that said device no longer exists, and has virtually no modern successors, and certainly none that matter commercially, tells a different story. Plus, tablets are not PCs. People are happy with tablets and phones as locked devices. They are not happy with PCs as locked devices, and have not accepted such control, maybe outside the MacOS ecosystem.
- fsflover 1y ago
  Why does the type of a general-purpose computing device matters?
  - LeoPanthera 1y ago
    At some point you have to accept that not all computing devices are general purpose. You can't replace the OS on an iPad either, but there are millions of those in the world, and yet somehow we're discussing a failed tablet from 13 years ago.
    - fsflover 1y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25172883 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25172883
    - II2II 1y ago
      If you can load application software onto them, I think it's fair to say they are general purpose computing devices. (I say application software since something like a thermostat may have a general purpose "computer" inside them and that microcontroller may have a reflashable ROM, but few would classify the device as a general purpose computer.) That said, not all general purpose computing devices are useful for all things. For example: you can, but probably aren't, going to use a mobile phone for a server. On the flip side: you can use a server to do your banking, but most people won't find it as convenient as using their phone for banking (even though banking from a stationary computer is far more convenient than it was in the days when you had to go to a branch). Likewise: mobile devices can be used for content creation, but I doubt that you would find many office workers jumping at the opportunity to use them in the place of a desktop or laptop. On the other hand: someone who is on the road a lot would probably appreciate their portability.
mjg59 1y ago
There was a period where Microsoft was attempting to treat Windows on ARM devices in the same way as Apple treats iPads. That's not how things are now, and the walkback on that doesn't support the argument that the goal is to lock competitors out of the industry.

by Lammy 1y ago

LeoPanthera 1y ago

This is only true if you count ARM tablets as "PCs", which most people don't.

Lammy 1y ago
No, UEFI Secure Boot is UEFI Secure Boot. The fact that Microsoft exercised this ability twelve entire years ago on a platform where they thought they could get away with it makes it worse, not better.
- tsimionescu 1y ago
  The fact that said device no longer exists, and has virtually no modern successors, and certainly none that matter commercially, tells a different story. Plus, tablets are not PCs. People are happy with tablets and phones as locked devices. They are not happy with PCs as locked devices, and have not accepted such control, maybe outside the MacOS ecosystem.
fsflover 1y ago
Why does the type of a general-purpose computing device matters?
- LeoPanthera 1y ago
  At some point you have to accept that not all computing devices are general purpose. You can't replace the OS on an iPad either, but there are millions of those in the world, and yet somehow we're discussing a failed tablet from 13 years ago.
  - fsflover 1y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25172883 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25172883
  - II2II 1y ago
    If you can load application software onto them, I think it's fair to say they are general purpose computing devices. (I say application software since something like a thermostat may have a general purpose "computer" inside them and that microcontroller may have a reflashable ROM, but few would classify the device as a general purpose computer.) That said, not all general purpose computing devices are useful for all things. For example: you can, but probably aren't, going to use a mobile phone for a server. On the flip side: you can use a server to do your banking, but most people won't find it as convenient as using their phone for banking (even though banking from a stationary computer is far more convenient than it was in the days when you had to go to a branch). Likewise: mobile devices can be used for content creation, but I doubt that you would find many office workers jumping at the opportunity to use them in the place of a desktop or laptop. On the other hand: someone who is on the road a lot would probably appreciate their portability.

mjg59 1y ago

There was a period where Microsoft was attempting to treat Windows on ARM devices in the same way as Apple treats iPads. That's not how things are now, and the walkback on that doesn't support the argument that the goal is to lock competitors out of the industry.