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I live in a neighborhood that recently installed the Flock cameras. I was glad to see them installed, because my privacy concerns are significantly less pressi
by baggy_trough 1y ago
I live in a neighborhood that recently installed the Flock cameras. I was glad to see them installed, because my privacy concerns are significantly less pressing than my concerns about home invasion burglaries which have been occurring in the area.
- pj_mukh 1y agoEven if this were true, I don't understand why this information is not placed behind a court warrant requirement? Seems like a simple fix.
- baggy_trough 1y agoEven if what were true?
- pj_mukh 1y agoThat privacy concerns are secondary to safety concerns.
- baggy_trough 1y agoThey might not be for everyone, but for me they are, given the situation regarding property crimes.
- pj_mukh 1y agoNot what I’m contesting.
- markus_zhang 1y agoI agree with you, but in my city police won’t do much even with the video proofs. They don’t care too much about stolen vehicles either.
- baggy_trough 1y agoIt depends on the jurisdiction. In my area, we still have some enforcement of property crime law. But if the criminals are able to escape to neighboring counties, very little will happen. The Flock cameras raise the chances that they will be apprehended beforehand.
- apparent 1y agoI think the point is partly deterrence. Thieves might choose to burgle homes in areas without Flock cameras instead of areas with them to lower the risk of being caught. Also, I believe Flock cameras immediately notify local PD when a vehicle reported as stolen passes by. Thieves often use stolen vehicles to avoid being caught, so this functionality makes it much more risky for them to do so. It basically tips off the cops even before you get to the home you're planning to burgle.
- AlotOfReading 1y agoWhy not install the cameras and simply never connect them if the point is mere visual deterrence? Similarly, it's not hard to imagine an ALPR system that doesn't save anything unless there's a match with a stolen car database. You don't need to go all the way to the privacy nightmare of flock to improve the situation. Municipalities do because there's no care given to privacy rights.
- apparent 1y agoThat's definitely one idea! I think stores have lots of cameras, but also use dummy cameras that have the same black domed appearance.
- lawlessone 1y ago>Thieves might choose to burgle homes in areas without Flock cameras instead of areas with them It doesn't really fix the issue then, just moves it around. Not criticizing your reply here. It seems like that's the exact logic around it.
- luisfmh 1y agoMaybe the fix to home invasion burglaries isn't increased surveillance but actually helping people? We increasingly put people in bad situations and then blame them when they lash out. This sounds like a "first they came for the socialists..." moment. Where we might not feel oppressed with the increased surveillance but as we go further and further into the surveillance state, eventually we'll be the ones that are pushed into a bad situation where a surveillance state is used against us.
- baggy_trough 1y agoThere is no kind of bad situation that justifies burglarizing homes.
- bsoles 1y agoSo, the French Revolution was not justified?
- Pfhortune 1y agoAs the person you replied to said: > We increasingly put people in bad situations and then blame them when they lash out. They are not _justifying_ it, they are calling out a cause/effect relationship. When people are desperate, they do destructive things. And our society is doing things that increase the number of desperate people.
- codemac 1y agoYou have to be more specific about the "bad situation" imo. A lot of crime gets blamed on all kinds of causes, but with a cause so vague all kinds of counterfactuals can be listed out: poverty doesn't explain why countries with more surveillance and more poverty have less crime like home invasions (CCCP).
- Pfhortune 1y ago> countries with more surveillance and more poverty have less crime like home invasions (CCCP). I am eager to learn more if you have some data/links on this WRT home invasions, I'm sure the ubiquity of guns in the US is another relevant dimension.
- mingus88 1y agoIn my area it’s common to see cars with no plates. The police don’t seem to enforce it. People planning home invasions know how to avoid ALPR. They wear masks and gloves, and leave their cell phones at home. You are giving up your privacy, to anyone with access to Flock, for nothing at all.
- baggy_trough 1y agoThat’s not a problem I observe, so I don’t think your conclusion follows for my circumstances.