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When you're a EU company or a EU government it makes a difference if your supplier is subject to EU surveillance laws or UK surveillance laws. As far as I can

by jjcob 1y ago

When you're a EU company or a EU government it makes a difference if your supplier is subject to EU surveillance laws or UK surveillance laws. As far as I can tell it comes down to: - are you afraid of foreign espionage vs. - are you afraid of your own government

shakna 1y ago
Wire is located in Switzerland. Outside the EU.
- wkat4242 1y ago
  Technically yes but Switzerland does subscribe to most EU legislation in order to join the internal market. They're a lot more "EU" than the UK is now.
  - shakna 1y ago
    ... You're suggesting Switzerland is subject to EU surveillance laws? Instead of the ones they put in planning in January?
    - wkat4242 1y ago
      They generally agree to pretty much everything yes because they're afraid of losing internal market access. It just takes a while longer because they have to approve each new thing individually. I do use Switzerland as an exit for my vpn though yes.
- mvieira38 1y ago
  This cope is officially dead now, not even Proton is believing Switzerland anymore. The pressure has gotten enough that they had to freeze all Swiss investment and start the process of moving key infrastructure to another country (I don't remember which, but it's the one Mullvad is at). Truth is, Euros don't care about privacy. The endgame will probably be to host this stuff in the third world or something, like pirates do
  - shakna 1y ago
    It's not "cope". Switzerland created a new set of surveillance laws in January, that far exceed anything inside the EU. Which means that EU laws are irrelevant, when talking about a company inside Switzerland - you should be talking about what they actually use!
rdm_blackhole 1y ago
Let's put it this way, if the Russians get my ID and a picture of my face and know my kinks and my religious preferences what is the worst that can happen? Now, if my government knows everything there is about me and one day decides to crack down on dissidents or hand them out to another foreign power as it was done in WW2 with the Jews in the Netherlands? Well, that is on another level. We have be down this road before. It never ends well. Maybe it's been too long and people forget. My grandparents lived through WW2, from what they told me, the capacity for humans to inflict pain and suffering on other humans knows no bounds.
- pixxel 1y ago
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scarface_74 1y ago
Once there is any backdoor, it’s always both.

by jjcob 1y ago

shakna 1y ago

Wire is located in Switzerland. Outside the EU.

wkat4242 1y ago
Technically yes but Switzerland does subscribe to most EU legislation in order to join the internal market. They're a lot more "EU" than the UK is now.
- shakna 1y ago
  ... You're suggesting Switzerland is subject to EU surveillance laws? Instead of the ones they put in planning in January?
  - wkat4242 1y ago
    They generally agree to pretty much everything yes because they're afraid of losing internal market access. It just takes a while longer because they have to approve each new thing individually. I do use Switzerland as an exit for my vpn though yes.
mvieira38 1y ago
This cope is officially dead now, not even Proton is believing Switzerland anymore. The pressure has gotten enough that they had to freeze all Swiss investment and start the process of moving key infrastructure to another country (I don't remember which, but it's the one Mullvad is at). Truth is, Euros don't care about privacy. The endgame will probably be to host this stuff in the third world or something, like pirates do
- shakna 1y ago
  It's not "cope". Switzerland created a new set of surveillance laws in January, that far exceed anything inside the EU. Which means that EU laws are irrelevant, when talking about a company inside Switzerland - you should be talking about what they actually use!

rdm_blackhole 1y ago

Let's put it this way, if the Russians get my ID and a picture of my face and know my kinks and my religious preferences what is the worst that can happen? Now, if my government knows everything there is about me and one day decides to crack down on dissidents or hand them out to another foreign power as it was done in WW2 with the Jews in the Netherlands? Well, that is on another level. We have be down this road before. It never ends well. Maybe it's been too long and people forget. My grandparents lived through WW2, from what they told me, the capacity for humans to inflict pain and suffering on other humans knows no bounds.

pixxel 1y ago
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scarface_74 1y ago

Once there is any backdoor, it’s always both.