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you need to improve your vibe quoting. article talks about 13,000 wounded, not 130,000. iirc, been impacted by tear gas is also "wounded". but back to the poin

by tguvot 1y ago

you need to improve your vibe quoting. article talks about 13,000 wounded, not 130,000. iirc, been impacted by tear gas is also "wounded". but back to the point. - do you still claim that it was "peaceful march of return" ? - where do you think the "return" part of the march were leading and what would have happened there ? (just in case, in UN report on Oct 7 documented that in most of places civilians followed armed members of hamas/pij/pflp/etc and engaged in looting, killing (famously thai workers that their heads were chopped off by unarmed civilians with help of hoe) and kidnapping (later sold to hamas/etc)

cess11 1y ago
Afterwards IDF soldiers bragged in the media about deliberately mutilating peaceful protestors. Here's a clarifying table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests#Casualties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_... As you can see it does not include "impacted by tear gas", but a thousand palestinians were harmed by having tear gas canisters shot at them. More than six thousand were maimed by gun fire, and as the numbers show, it was deliberate policy to harm rather than kill. In comparison, as a measure of the supposed militancy from the palestinians, five israelis were injured and none were killed. Palestinian refugees have a right to return to their land and homes. That's what the march was about.
- tguvot 1y ago
  so they tried to breach border en masse, while having armed people among them and got shot only in knees ? sounds like a good outcome for them. israeli citizens didn't have such a good outcome at oct 7 when great march of return succeeded to breach border. and you seems to be angry that they were harmed and not killed. i am confused here. now, you surely know that between 1945 and 1950 about 12m to 14.6m ethnic germans were ethnically cleansed (500k to 2.5m dead in process) from eastern europe and some land annexed. do you support their right to march back and reclaim their land and homes ?
  - cultofmetatron 1y ago
    > and got shot only in knees ? sounds like a good outcome for them. please go on > do you support their right to march back and reclaim their land and homes ? considering that they were kicked out by violence in 1948, likud terrorists mass killed entire villages of Palestinians in order to force the rest to flee. Israelis then forced them to live in an apartheid state I certainly do support their right of return. Israel has committed multiple oct 7 level atrocities against Palestinians over the last few decades while sweeping them under the rug. edit: are the descendants of those germans being systematically oppressed with no rights and living under military occupation? if not, whats stopping them from returning currently?
    - tguvot 1y ago
      I am taking about right of return for 12m displaced Germans. Do you support it and them marching to reclaim their land and homes?
      - cess11 1y ago
        They're referring to this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%931950) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germ... I.e. the allies forcing germans in the east to go west and leave the nazi colonial project behind. It was arguably atrocious. It is also irrelevant since the territories involved reside within the EU and there is nothing in the way for these people or their descendants relocating back to Poland or whatever. Which I suspect will be quite popular in the future, given that Poland's economy is doing rather well and Germany's is likely to not do rather well.
        tguvot 1y ago
        not colonial project, but 12m ethnic germans that lived in german territories that were annexed or in other areas in europe (because they lived there for centuries). >>> During the later stages of World War II and the post-war period, Reichsdeutsche (German citizens) and Volksdeutsche (ethnic Germans living outside the Nazi state) fled and were expelled from various Eastern and Central European countries, including Czechoslovakia, and from the former German provinces of Lower and Upper Silesia, East Prussia, and the eastern parts of Brandenburg (Neumark) and Pomerania (Farther Pomerania), which were annexed by Provisional Government of National Unity of Poland and by the Soviet Union. <<<< will you support them marching back to reclaim their lands and homes, while been peacefully armed (like palestinians) with molotov cocktails, ak47 and grenades ? do you support their right of return ?

by tguvot 1y ago

cess11 1y ago

Afterwards IDF soldiers bragged in the media about deliberately mutilating peaceful protestors. Here's a clarifying table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests#Casualties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_... As you can see it does not include "impacted by tear gas", but a thousand palestinians were harmed by having tear gas canisters shot at them. More than six thousand were maimed by gun fire, and as the numbers show, it was deliberate policy to harm rather than kill. In comparison, as a measure of the supposed militancy from the palestinians, five israelis were injured and none were killed. Palestinian refugees have a right to return to their land and homes. That's what the march was about.

tguvot 1y ago
so they tried to breach border en masse, while having armed people among them and got shot only in knees ? sounds like a good outcome for them. israeli citizens didn't have such a good outcome at oct 7 when great march of return succeeded to breach border. and you seems to be angry that they were harmed and not killed. i am confused here. now, you surely know that between 1945 and 1950 about 12m to 14.6m ethnic germans were ethnically cleansed (500k to 2.5m dead in process) from eastern europe and some land annexed. do you support their right to march back and reclaim their land and homes ?
- cultofmetatron 1y ago
  > and got shot only in knees ? sounds like a good outcome for them. please go on > do you support their right to march back and reclaim their land and homes ? considering that they were kicked out by violence in 1948, likud terrorists mass killed entire villages of Palestinians in order to force the rest to flee. Israelis then forced them to live in an apartheid state I certainly do support their right of return. Israel has committed multiple oct 7 level atrocities against Palestinians over the last few decades while sweeping them under the rug. edit: are the descendants of those germans being systematically oppressed with no rights and living under military occupation? if not, whats stopping them from returning currently?
  - tguvot 1y ago
    I am taking about right of return for 12m displaced Germans. Do you support it and them marching to reclaim their land and homes?
    - cess11 1y ago
      They're referring to this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%931950) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germ... I.e. the allies forcing germans in the east to go west and leave the nazi colonial project behind. It was arguably atrocious. It is also irrelevant since the territories involved reside within the EU and there is nothing in the way for these people or their descendants relocating back to Poland or whatever. Which I suspect will be quite popular in the future, given that Poland's economy is doing rather well and Germany's is likely to not do rather well.
      - tguvot 1y ago
        not colonial project, but 12m ethnic germans that lived in german territories that were annexed or in other areas in europe (because they lived there for centuries). >>> During the later stages of World War II and the post-war period, Reichsdeutsche (German citizens) and Volksdeutsche (ethnic Germans living outside the Nazi state) fled and were expelled from various Eastern and Central European countries, including Czechoslovakia, and from the former German provinces of Lower and Upper Silesia, East Prussia, and the eastern parts of Brandenburg (Neumark) and Pomerania (Farther Pomerania), which were annexed by Provisional Government of National Unity of Poland and by the Soviet Union. <<<< will you support them marching back to reclaim their lands and homes, while been peacefully armed (like palestinians) with molotov cocktails, ak47 and grenades ? do you support their right of return ?