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- learning basic facts facilitates fact based discussions. you avoid going and learning facts that may not correspond to your worldview - fatah was beaten down
by tguvot 1y ago
- learning basic facts facilitates fact based discussions. you avoid going and learning facts that may not correspond to your worldview
- fatah was beaten down. it doesn't say "stopped". it says "lost". hamas wasn't knocked down into oblivion and they were always more popular than fatah
- no go zones means that PA doesn't go there because Hamas/PIJ will kill them there.
- rockets not thrown from there not because due to generosity of local population but because of work of shin bit. in fact since oct 7th there been significant increase in arms smuggling from jordan to west bank to a point that IDF is unable to prevent or monitor it. including heavier weapons. this is probably for cultivation of famously fertile west bank soil, according to you ?
- map showing that hamas won in most areas of west bank as well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_e...
- recent polling on elections: But if new legislative elections were held today with the participation of all political forces that participated in the 2006 elections, 62% say they will participate in them, and among the participants in the elections 43% say they will vote for Hamas, 28% for Fatah, 8% for third parties, and 19% have not yet decided. In the Gaza Strip, vote for Hamas among voters participating in the elections stands at 49% , and vote for Fatah among voters participating in the elections stands at 30% . In the West Bank, vote for Hamas stands at 38% and Fatah among voters participating in elections stands at 27%
- link that i posted above more certainly show that population engages in armed and not armed but violent resistance and attacks israeli population and constantly attempts to perform terror acts in Israel. and you still didn't tell me how much exactly israel expanded it settlements. you just claim that it did without any factual backing.
- cess11 1y agoThere shouldn't be any "israeli population" in the West Bank. To a large extent it is armed and commonly also in uniform, without being in IDF service. From 1999 to 2018 colonial population in the West Bank grew from ~177000 to ~430000 or so. Since the current israeli government took power they've massively accelerated colonial efforts in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and also moved away from military administration in a blatant rejection of international law. I.e. before the response from Hamas in October 2023. Hamas are popular because they've achieved results, and are perceived as relatively moderate and flexible in politics. Their main competitor, PIJ, disavows parliamentary politics entirely as long as the occupation is in place, considering it a waste of resources and naive pandering to foreign governments that they have no faith in.
- tguvot 1y agoyou failed to write how much settlement grew. can't find any data about it ?
- cess11 1y agoWhy did you fail to read my comment? https://www.statista.com/chart/20001/number-of-israeli-settlers-living-in-the-west-bank-by-year/ https://www.statista.com/chart/20001/number-of-israeli-settl... https://peacenow.org.il/en/settlements-watch/settlements-data/population https://peacenow.org.il/en/settlements-watch/settlements-dat... This excludes a few hundreds of thousands in East Jerusalem. According to international law all of these people must be relocated to israeli territory. If I have understood it correctly the UN GA has given Israel a deadline for this in September.
- tguvot 1y agoPopulation expansion doesn't imply area expansion. People in Israel procreate. Could you articulate how much in acres settlements expanded in past 20 years. Year over year or something. Or in total
- cess11 1y agoGet to your point. There should be zero so called settlements. Nil. None. They must all be removed. This is the law.
- tguvot 1y agoso settlements do not expand ?
- cess11 1y agohttps://www.timesofisrael.com/un-says-mass-displacement-of-west-bank-palestinians-at-highest-levels-since-1967/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-says-mass-displacement-of-w... https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/west-bank-settlements/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/west-bank-settlements/