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I'm an australian who completed the esafety survey which helped guide this policy. I pushed for anonymous temporary age verification tokens generated through a

I'm an australian who completed the esafety survey which helped guide this policy. I pushed for anonymous temporary age verification tokens generated through a government app. Social media is undermining the fabric of our societies and destroying a whole generations emotional development. I support this- in part because I know those who want to get around enough or be private will always find a way, but it has a positive, reality affirming effect on the public. Watch the press conference from our PM and comms minister from yesterday to understand that this is coming from a place of compassion or control. They have said repeatedly they will always ensure a non id method is ensured. I know there are flaws in that though. https://youtu.be/SCSMQUmrh38?feature=shared https://youtu.be/SCSMQUmrh38?feature=shared

ggm 1y ago
I think homomorphic encryption through a third party would be better. Gov app could be one side of it, blinded evidence provision to the identity, to the intermediary. Maybe this is what you meant? it's what the CSIRO and the Privacy Commissioner said was their recommended method to do proofs of age/identity through government issued documents, without revealing what the URL was being accessed.
protocolture 1y ago
I see, props for admitting you are part of the problem. Next time dont do that.
- OhioMan2943 1y ago
  I just want to share the other side for once.
  - alt227 1y ago
    As usual 'the other side' is exactly what we all knew it was. It is people who dont understand technology getting frothed up by media scares into believing government promises about censorship. > They have said repeatedly they will always ensure a non id method is ensured And you believed them?
    - OhioMan2943 1y ago
      Careful I think you might be choking on all that strawman. Terminally online types complain all day about how social media is terrible and needs to be regulated until the moment actual legislation is being passed then they complain about that instead.
      - alt227 1y ago
        You really accuse me of a strawman argument and then literally write this after? > Terminally online types complain all day about how social media is terrible and needs to be regulated until the moment actual legislation is being passed then they complain about that instead. 'Terminally online types?', 'complain all day?' You have broad assumptions, exaggerations, and stereotypes in that one sentence. It could be the dictionary definition of strawman.
      - protocolture 1y ago
        >Terminally online types complain all day about how social media is terrible and needs to be regulated until the moment actual legislation is being passed then they complain about that instead. Even if that were the case, demanding a solution doesn't mean accepting a bad solution. "My dog is hungry" "Well I killed your dog and it no longer experiences hunger, please clap"
  - protocolture 1y ago
    It used to be the case that you could rely on netizens to support the internet. You read about the old clipper chip stuff in yankistan and they had NSA Cryptographers risking their jobs speaking out publicly against the policy. We were lucky enough to have Bevan Slattery run a massive campaign against the (godawful) NBN economics for the LNP to silently correct half of the issues with no fanfare, when other people were getting silently cancelled over speaking out by their employers fearing NBN retribution. iiNet stood up to Conroy repeatedly. I need you to understand that you have put at severe risk a lot of good honest people for a false sense of security that is more likely to push kids into worse places than actually prevent harm. With the inclusion of Youtube, its likely the government is going to ramp this up to apply to any website with a comment section. Civil Liberties are easy to destroy in this manner, but oh so difficult to restore. We fought, hard, against internet filtering in this country. We shouldn't have to re-litigate it every 5 years or so while getting white anted by our own. If there's something worse than ashamed, its where you should be right now.
sadleqabd 1y ago
Social media is undermining the fabric of our societies. So are authoritarian governments, perhaps even more so.
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ggm 1y ago

I think homomorphic encryption through a third party would be better. Gov app could be one side of it, blinded evidence provision to the identity, to the intermediary. Maybe this is what you meant? it's what the CSIRO and the Privacy Commissioner said was their recommended method to do proofs of age/identity through government issued documents, without revealing what the URL was being accessed.

protocolture 1y ago

I see, props for admitting you are part of the problem. Next time dont do that.

OhioMan2943 1y ago
I just want to share the other side for once.
- alt227 1y ago
  As usual 'the other side' is exactly what we all knew it was. It is people who dont understand technology getting frothed up by media scares into believing government promises about censorship. > They have said repeatedly they will always ensure a non id method is ensured And you believed them?
  - OhioMan2943 1y ago
    Careful I think you might be choking on all that strawman. Terminally online types complain all day about how social media is terrible and needs to be regulated until the moment actual legislation is being passed then they complain about that instead.
    - alt227 1y ago
      You really accuse me of a strawman argument and then literally write this after? > Terminally online types complain all day about how social media is terrible and needs to be regulated until the moment actual legislation is being passed then they complain about that instead. 'Terminally online types?', 'complain all day?' You have broad assumptions, exaggerations, and stereotypes in that one sentence. It could be the dictionary definition of strawman.
    - protocolture 1y ago
      >Terminally online types complain all day about how social media is terrible and needs to be regulated until the moment actual legislation is being passed then they complain about that instead. Even if that were the case, demanding a solution doesn't mean accepting a bad solution. "My dog is hungry" "Well I killed your dog and it no longer experiences hunger, please clap"
- protocolture 1y ago
  It used to be the case that you could rely on netizens to support the internet. You read about the old clipper chip stuff in yankistan and they had NSA Cryptographers risking their jobs speaking out publicly against the policy. We were lucky enough to have Bevan Slattery run a massive campaign against the (godawful) NBN economics for the LNP to silently correct half of the issues with no fanfare, when other people were getting silently cancelled over speaking out by their employers fearing NBN retribution. iiNet stood up to Conroy repeatedly. I need you to understand that you have put at severe risk a lot of good honest people for a false sense of security that is more likely to push kids into worse places than actually prevent harm. With the inclusion of Youtube, its likely the government is going to ramp this up to apply to any website with a comment section. Civil Liberties are easy to destroy in this manner, but oh so difficult to restore. We fought, hard, against internet filtering in this country. We shouldn't have to re-litigate it every 5 years or so while getting white anted by our own. If there's something worse than ashamed, its where you should be right now.

sadleqabd 1y ago

Social media is undermining the fabric of our societies. So are authoritarian governments, perhaps even more so.

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