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Pentagon Pizza Index
- kjellsbells 1y agoFun site, but the Defense apparatus isn't centered solely on the Pentagon, so the pizza signal is muddy at best. Now, if the pizzerias of Arlington suddenly get busy at the same time as the ones in Langley and Chantilly, well, maybe...
- stygiansonic 1y agoWonder why they haven’t gotten an in house pizzeria yet to reduce the signal on this side channel leak
- rl3 1y agoBecause with their budget they can afford to induce artificial demand and thus exert control over the signal, fooling adversaries in the process.
- MangoToupe 1y agoYou have an awful lot of faith in an institution that seems to put its ass out in the wind on a regular basis
- AlotOfReading 1y agoI doubt that's it. Artificial demand just adds noise to the signal, it doesn't eliminate it. It seems more likely that they've just decided that knowing the Pentagon is working on something without additional details isn't a very useful signal for adversaries.
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- yardstick 1y agoSounds about right. Plus when it’s time to go Mutually Assured Destruction, ie to those capable of attacking the US mainland, I’m going to assume they would be doing all this from whatever the successor to Mt Weather is.
- VoidWhisperer 1y agoI was about to make this same comment - this data might've been more useful for say, the soviets, when they were the only major threat that the US was actively dealing with, so they could have some guarantee that if they spotted a ton of pizzas being ordered to the pentagon, they could be fairly sure it would be something to relevant to them.
- dylan604 1y agoOne of the examples was the night before the '91 Desert Storm started. For those that weren't around, there was a huge build up operation called Desert Shield and only became Desert Storm when they started shooting. It's not like that was a secret, and the Iraqis could have seen this data and not be surprised when the bombs start falling immediately after the pizza surge. If you were bin Laden, maybe you might not have been caught unawares helicopters were about to crash in your garden. It's not like you didn't know they were looking for you. I can't think of someone that the Pentagon or other agencies that this applies to that their adversaries would not know they were the adversary. This might be more relevant than you might think
- beeflet 1y agowhy not both
- theturtle 1y agoI have actually had pizza at the Pentagon. True, it was almost 30 years ago, and it tasted like federal-cafeteria pizza, but it was edible and I'm still alive.
- dylan604 1y agoI had that pizza every Friday throughout elementary school
- raincole 1y agoI think the signal itself is pretty much just noise. If you're scheming against Pentagon you'd assume they're always working hard anyway.
- password4321 1y agoSbarro closed
- metaphor 1y agoThey do[1], but only open on weekdays and closes at 1600. [1] https://www.mosaicpizzacompany.com/washington-dc/ https://www.mosaicpizzacompany.com/washington-dc/
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- VoidWhisperer 1y agoDon't you know, that trial expiring is reason for war and why we are at pizza defcon 3!
- ChrisArchitect 1y agoIs this the same thing as the Pentagon Pizza Report twitter account? https://x.com/PenPizzaReport https://x.com/PenPizzaReport
- eurleif 1y agoHas anyone actually done the work of checking how well this correlates with world events? It gets attention when it has an apparent hit, which makes it appear predictive; but you could make a random noise generator appear predictive in the same manner.
- johnthuss 1y agoThere was an excellent podcast covering this on Endless Thread! https://overcast.fm/+PCa9DKnMg https://overcast.fm/+PCa9DKnMg
- LorenDB 1y agoThis is a great website, but it'd be better without the AI-generated images (notice one of them mentions "Irak" instead of Iraq) and the Polymarket cards at the bottom. I don't understand why we've suddenly decided to normalize betting on anything and everything under the guise of "prediction markets."
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- general1726 1y agoSo Pizza Index is up because that 8.8 earthquake in Kamchatka has been right next to strategic Russian naval base, where nuclear submarines and nuclear warheads are stationed? Earthquake to tsunami hitting that base is around 10 minutes, so essentially Russians would have no time to get out. I don't think that tsunami would destroy that base, but let's say if submarine or some lighter ship has been moored on a pier it could very well damage it, maybe beyond repair considering current Russian situation. https://www.twz.com/sea/questions-swirl-around-status-of-russian-nuclear-submarine-base-after-historic-earthquake https://www.twz.com/sea/questions-swirl-around-status-of-rus...
- xorbax 1y agoLame that you can't obviously choose to show the last two weeks of the total.
- ashoeafoot 1y agoThe only strategic nuclear submarine base of russia. Which already lost most of their ts strategic bomber fleet.
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- IAmGraydon 1y agoNice…I’m greeted with uncloseable ads and popups on mobile that make the site unusable. This is not deserving of the front page.
- Jimmc414 1y agoInteresting thought experiment: Would it be considered market manipulation to order and pay for 1000 pizzas to be delivered to the Pentagon while holding crude oil futures expiring the next day?
- bawolff 1y agoMaybe if this was the 70s. In modern times the oil market isn't quite as twitchy, and you can't tell just from the pizza index which country is about to be blowed up
- jojobas 1y agoOil futures swing by 15% in a day easily. Not knowing which country only adds to the uncertainty.
- bawolff 1y agoI mean, you dont know if the country about to be blown up is an oil exporter.
- hashed01 1y agoNah… you know
- bawolff 1y agoThat's kind of silly as one if the next major expected conflicts is taiwan.
- maxbond 1y agoI think the US bombing China would have a big impact on the oil market. I think the better argument is that the pizza index doesn't matter because a.) people in the Pentagon might order pizza for all sorts of reasons, they might be behind on paperwork or monitoring a conflict they're not participating in and b.) the Pentagon is in the middle of a metropolitan area, there's no reason to attribute a spike in pizza sales near the Pentagon to the Pentagon. The headquarters for the DEA and Boeing are both down the street; do they never have to work late?
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- lelandfe 1y agoSites like this are proof of why future research is going to be so damn hard. This site presents as unvarnished truth that PIZZINT was a thing in the Cold War – even giving fake quotes and a date range – but there's no evidence to support it[0]. It's just a story. I'm guessing some AI hit a few sources like Fast Company, read words like "allegedly," and decided that was just semantics. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/food/2025/07/01/pentagon-pizza-tracker-orders-military/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/food/2025/07/01/pentagon-pizz...
- rocky_raccoon 1y agoThe AI-generated images don't do anything to help the case either...
- xorbax 1y agoThere will now be a CEO (Chief Executive Orderer) who will statistically balance fastfood orders during times requiring late nights to maintain normal public-facing order activity. Or their boss will tell them to order "anything but a pizza . . . You all saw the website!", so it becomes an inverse indicator.
- maxbond 1y agoDon't historians already contend with a bunch of lies and misunderstandings people wrote down in the past? Eg, it's my understanding that the Salem Witch Trials were driven by property disputes and petty grievances, but presumably that's a product of historians reading critically and between the lines, and no one wrote down "it would be really convenient if Goody So-and-So died, because I want a bigger farm?"
- treetalker 1y agoDon't worry: I just saw a list claiming that historians are among the top 40 jobs that "AI" is ready to take over.
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- energy123 1y agoSince Hegseth's tenure started, a different consumable might have more predictive utility.
- OccamsMirror 1y agoMy favorite nickname for him is what people in the military apparently call him: Kegsbreath.
- j_timberlake 1y agoWould they be ordering pizzas during a real emergency though? Sounds like a code-yellow kind of thing.
- addandsubtract 1y agoThe idea is, that they're spending overtime at the Pentagon and need fast food (pizza) delivered to keep working.
- vivzkestrel 1y agostupid question: what happens if they all switch to eating tacos instead overnight because of a new policy at pentagon following this website s launch
- BaseBaal 1y agoStupid answer: methane levels would suddenly spike inside the pentagon early the next morning, perhaps giving the GasInt division just enough warning.
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