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Yes. The minimum rules we all must agree on have to be the basic human rights. And that means we can’t take all the civilians in Gaza hostage for Hamas. These a

by 9dev 1y ago

Yes. The minimum rules we all must agree on have to be the basic human rights. And that means we can’t take all the civilians in Gaza hostage for Hamas. These are humans with hopes and dreams and friends and family, like you and like Israelis. That Israel in particular would so easily forget about this is horrible.

nandomrumber 1y ago
If the above mentioned surveys are to believed, then a not insignificant fraction of Israelis care less than you expect them to. Why is that? What are we misunderstanding about their perspective that causes the expectation to be off?
- saubeidl 1y ago
  And that is exactly why global opinion is souring on Israel.
- judahmeek 1y ago
  > Why is that? What are we misunderstanding about their perspective that causes the expectation to be off? There's a perfect explanation for this in Ten Steps of Genocide, which is taught by many Holocaust museums. Instead of recognizing Palestinian humanity, Israelites (not all, but enough to gain control of their government) have allowed themselves to discriminate, dehumanize, and persecute them. Granted, not doing so in a situation as fraught with hostility & danger as Israel's would have taken tremendous levels of moral courage, but if there's one ethnic group that we expected to be aware of the slippery slope of genocide, it's the jews.
  - andsoitis 1y ago
    > Israelites The demonym for someone from Israel is Israeli. > Instead of recognizing Palestinian humanity There are ~2m Palestinians in Israel, making up about 21% percent of the population of Israel and Palestinians in Israel have had the right to vote since 1949. According to my research, there are 10 Palestinians in the Knesset. So I don't know that your claim is accurate.
    - judahmeek 1y ago
      > According to my research, there are 10 Palestinians in the Knesset. That's great, but it doesn't contradict my claim. After all, I didn't say "all Israelis". I said "enough Israelis to gain control of their government".
      - andsoitis 1y ago
        You said that Israelites dehumanize Palestinians.
        judahmeek 1y ago
        Improve your reading comprehension. I said: "Instead of recognizing Palestinian humanity, Israelites (not all, but enough to gain control of their government) have allowed themselves to discriminate, dehumanize, and persecute them." "Israelites dehumanize Palestinians" is an over-simplification of my statement.
bigtex88 1y ago
Gazans are not being put onto railroad cars and shipped off to camps to be systematically exterminated in gas chambers.
- ychnd 1y ago
  ... They are starved and slaughtered in place instead.
- cultofmetatron 1y ago
  right now , the israeli government is building a "moral concentration camp" for them in gaza atm where gazan will forced to go to or be shot on sight. can you understand how that isn't any better than what the nazis did? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/16/israel-presses-ahead-gaza-concentration-camp-plans-despite-criticism https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/16/israel-presses-ahea...
  - mhb 1y ago
    So now when the targeted population is actually increasing, we can still call it a "genocide". And when there is no actual concentration camp we can say there is a "moral concentration camp". Stop getting your news from Al Jazeera, FFS.
    - cultofmetatron 1y ago
      > So now when the targeted population is actually increasing, we can still call it a "genocide". Please show me where the targeted population is "increasing" over the last two years? is it because people from other areas are being forced to relocate and you guys call that a population increase? Where should i get my news from? last I checked, 100+ journalists came out with a written statement about how higher ups at the BBC were preventing news critical of Israel from being broadcast on air. The concentration camp thing has been corroborated by several news sources including some from within Israel itself. Even CNN nowadays is starting to be critical of the genocide. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jul/02/more-than-400-media-figures-urge-bbc-board-to-remove-robbie-gibb-over-gaza https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jul/02/more-than-400-...

by 9dev 1y ago

nandomrumber 1y ago

If the above mentioned surveys are to believed, then a not insignificant fraction of Israelis care less than you expect them to. Why is that? What are we misunderstanding about their perspective that causes the expectation to be off?

saubeidl 1y ago
And that is exactly why global opinion is souring on Israel.
judahmeek 1y ago
> Why is that? What are we misunderstanding about their perspective that causes the expectation to be off? There's a perfect explanation for this in Ten Steps of Genocide, which is taught by many Holocaust museums. Instead of recognizing Palestinian humanity, Israelites (not all, but enough to gain control of their government) have allowed themselves to discriminate, dehumanize, and persecute them. Granted, not doing so in a situation as fraught with hostility & danger as Israel's would have taken tremendous levels of moral courage, but if there's one ethnic group that we expected to be aware of the slippery slope of genocide, it's the jews.
- andsoitis 1y ago
  > Israelites The demonym for someone from Israel is Israeli. > Instead of recognizing Palestinian humanity There are ~2m Palestinians in Israel, making up about 21% percent of the population of Israel and Palestinians in Israel have had the right to vote since 1949. According to my research, there are 10 Palestinians in the Knesset. So I don't know that your claim is accurate.
  - judahmeek 1y ago
    > According to my research, there are 10 Palestinians in the Knesset. That's great, but it doesn't contradict my claim. After all, I didn't say "all Israelis". I said "enough Israelis to gain control of their government".
    - andsoitis 1y ago
      You said that Israelites dehumanize Palestinians.
      - judahmeek 1y ago
        Improve your reading comprehension. I said: "Instead of recognizing Palestinian humanity, Israelites (not all, but enough to gain control of their government) have allowed themselves to discriminate, dehumanize, and persecute them." "Israelites dehumanize Palestinians" is an over-simplification of my statement.

bigtex88 1y ago

Gazans are not being put onto railroad cars and shipped off to camps to be systematically exterminated in gas chambers.

ychnd 1y ago
... They are starved and slaughtered in place instead.
cultofmetatron 1y ago
right now , the israeli government is building a "moral concentration camp" for them in gaza atm where gazan will forced to go to or be shot on sight. can you understand how that isn't any better than what the nazis did? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/16/israel-presses-ahead-gaza-concentration-camp-plans-despite-criticism https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/16/israel-presses-ahea...
- mhb 1y ago
  So now when the targeted population is actually increasing, we can still call it a "genocide". And when there is no actual concentration camp we can say there is a "moral concentration camp". Stop getting your news from Al Jazeera, FFS.
  - cultofmetatron 1y ago
    > So now when the targeted population is actually increasing, we can still call it a "genocide". Please show me where the targeted population is "increasing" over the last two years? is it because people from other areas are being forced to relocate and you guys call that a population increase? Where should i get my news from? last I checked, 100+ journalists came out with a written statement about how higher ups at the BBC were preventing news critical of Israel from being broadcast on air. The concentration camp thing has been corroborated by several news sources including some from within Israel itself. Even CNN nowadays is starting to be critical of the genocide. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jul/02/more-than-400-media-figures-urge-bbc-board-to-remove-robbie-gibb-over-gaza https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jul/02/more-than-400-...