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> > A huge part of the Exodus was the Arab league telling Arabs to leave their homes in 1948 while they destroyed the new Jewish state, because they didn’t just

by nailer 1y ago

> > A huge part of the Exodus was the Arab league telling Arabs to leave their homes in 1948 while they destroyed the new Jewish state, because they didn’t just want Jordan and the proposed second Arab state from British Palestine they wanted everything from the river to the sea, which probably would’ve destroyed all the jewish people (witness all the violence pre-1948 from Arabs to Jews). > That's a myth. It simply isn't true. What part? That the Arab league wanted full control of multiethnic Palestine? That they tried to stop Israel being created? That they intended to make Israel a warzone? > > ben gurion asked Arabs to stay and peacefully join the new country which is why Israel is 20% Arab. > This is such an absurd claim It's history. "Ben-Gurion’s 1948 Speech to arab population" > In any case, two wrongs do not make a right So do you support a right of return for Jews to Arab states or not? How will you guarantee their safety? > Israel's ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians in 1947-48 There were no Palestinians in 1947 which you should be aware of before you discuss this topic. And Arabs in 1948 were not ethnically cleansed by anyone. Look at the population statistics. > Muslim countries were historically more religiously tolerant than Christian countries. That changed for the Jews in the Arab world for two reasons: the foundation of Israel and imported antisemitic ideas from Europe. lol. Arab violence against Jews was commonplace, much like it's still commonplace. You can look up cases of widespread violence from before Israel became independent very easily. Also the grand mufti aligning himself with Hitler. Hence partitioning. > If you've followed the news, you'll know that Israel has repeatedly bombed Christian churches in Gaza. They hit the facade of a church by accident, hit the facade, owned the error. > A tiny number of UNWRA staff (you can literally count them on two hands) were alleged to be Hamas members And admitted by UNRWA. > UNRWA schools teach children to desire to be martyrs The idea that Palestinians have to be taught by the UN to hate Israel is absurd. > They hate Israel for the same reason Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto hated Germany. Because they're brainwashed by Islamic extremism? > The UN does a remarkable job of instituting neutral education in that environment So you think wanting to be martyrs and kill jews is neutral? > Including allowing Israel to review their educational materials and list of employees. I suspect what you and I have seen wasn't reviwed by Israel and I bet you you know this. > (disbanding UNRWA) is the obvious solution if you want to starve and immiserate the Palestinians. They're already miserable. Hamas is stockpiling their food and charging them for it. UNRWA and Hamas need to go. Do you support reintegrating Pakistan and India? Do you think Pakistan and India are legitimite states? Why or why not?

DiogenesKynikos 1y ago
> What part? That the Palestinians left on their own accord because the Arab League or whoever on their side told them to. > lol. Arab violence against Jews was commonplace No, it wasn't. It was much rarer than in Europe. > They hit the facade of a church by accident, hit the facade, owned the error. Ah yes, they've bombed every church "by accident" now. > And admitted by UNRWA. Actually, UNWRA was not able to confirm the Israeli government accusations, because the Israeli government refused to provide evidence. But you're tacitly admitting here that only a few UNWRA employees were ever accused of being involved with Hamas. > Because they're brainwashed by Islamic extremism? Because they live under military occupation. The Palestinian national movement was secular for decades, is multireligious, and not motivated by Islamism in any fundamental sense. > So you think wanting to be martyrs and kill jews is neutral? This has nothing to do with Jews. It has to do with Israel. Stop pretending this is 1940 Germany.
- nailer 1y ago
  > This has nothing to do with Jews. It has to do with Israel. I’ve mentioned a few times but reiterating you can easily look up massacres of Jews by Arabs prior to 1948. Arabs colonised the Middle East, their religious includes fighting Jews at the end of time, and they commonly hate anyone else existing in the area. Look at what happened to the Christians and Druze.
  - DiogenesKynikos 1y ago
    You can look up massacres of Arabs by Jews too. This has kind of been mostly forgotten in recent decades, but the Zionist movement carried out many terrorist attacks in the 1930s and '40s. > Look at what happened to the Christians and Druze. You know that Christians are a significant part of the Palestinian population, right? They suffered the same fate as Muslim Palestinians at the hands of Israel - mass expulsion, theft of their homes and property, and military occupation.
    - nailer 1y ago
      You’re comparing isolated cases of violence (mainly against the British who were an occupying power stopping Israel from accepting Jews) with Islam attacking entire Christian countries, including Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan.

by nailer 1y ago

DiogenesKynikos 1y ago

> What part? That the Palestinians left on their own accord because the Arab League or whoever on their side told them to. > lol. Arab violence against Jews was commonplace No, it wasn't. It was much rarer than in Europe. > They hit the facade of a church by accident, hit the facade, owned the error. Ah yes, they've bombed every church "by accident" now. > And admitted by UNRWA. Actually, UNWRA was not able to confirm the Israeli government accusations, because the Israeli government refused to provide evidence. But you're tacitly admitting here that only a few UNWRA employees were ever accused of being involved with Hamas. > Because they're brainwashed by Islamic extremism? Because they live under military occupation. The Palestinian national movement was secular for decades, is multireligious, and not motivated by Islamism in any fundamental sense. > So you think wanting to be martyrs and kill jews is neutral? This has nothing to do with Jews. It has to do with Israel. Stop pretending this is 1940 Germany.

nailer 1y ago
> This has nothing to do with Jews. It has to do with Israel. I’ve mentioned a few times but reiterating you can easily look up massacres of Jews by Arabs prior to 1948. Arabs colonised the Middle East, their religious includes fighting Jews at the end of time, and they commonly hate anyone else existing in the area. Look at what happened to the Christians and Druze.
- DiogenesKynikos 1y ago
  You can look up massacres of Arabs by Jews too. This has kind of been mostly forgotten in recent decades, but the Zionist movement carried out many terrorist attacks in the 1930s and '40s. > Look at what happened to the Christians and Druze. You know that Christians are a significant part of the Palestinian population, right? They suffered the same fate as Muslim Palestinians at the hands of Israel - mass expulsion, theft of their homes and property, and military occupation.
  - nailer 1y ago
    You’re comparing isolated cases of violence (mainly against the British who were an occupying power stopping Israel from accepting Jews) with Islam attacking entire Christian countries, including Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan.