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> "‘If you feed Gazans, they eventually eat you,’ the Israeli stand-up comedian Gil Kopatz posted. ‘It’s not genocide, it’s pesticide.’ I have such a hard time

> "‘If you feed Gazans, they eventually eat you,’ the Israeli stand-up comedian Gil Kopatz posted. ‘It’s not genocide, it’s pesticide.’ I have such a hard time understanding how such statements can find an accepting audience in this day and age; in Israel of all places. Replace "Israeli stand-up comedian" with "some Nazi propagandist in the 30s/40s" and "Gazans" with "Jews", and I'm sure it would be a perfectly accurate historical quote.

nandomrumber 1y ago
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- saubeidl 1y ago
  How many random Gazans has Israel killed by now? 50 times as many? How many is it holding without trial or even cause?
- xg15 1y ago
  No, but the level of dehumanization openly present is comparable.
  - nandomrumber 1y ago
    That’s a wildly out of touch with way reality statement! If you flooded Gaza with chemical weapons and wiped them all out you wouldn’t even come close!
    - xg15 1y ago
      Did you just mean that it wouldn't be comparable because it would only be 2 million instead of 6 million, or did I misunderstand you?
- arp242 1y ago
  This did not start on Oct 7. Bad faith nonsense. This argumentum ad Oct-7 got tired about a year ago. How long do you plan to keep using it? Two more years? Ten years? Twenty years?
  - nandomrumber 1y ago
    When did you say the hostages were taken?
    - cess11 1y ago
      Israel is taking hostages all the time and has been for decades and decades. Commonly children.
    - piva00 1y ago
      Do you consider raids by the IDF in Palestinian villages in the middle of the night[0][1], taking people away without recourse, a hostage taking situation? Because this is something done by the IDF for decades, I shared a house with a Israeli who was in the IDF's intelligence (not a common conscript), participated in such raids in 2010, got told by their officer that these actions were to keep Palestinians afraid, and this is what changed their whole view on the IDF's role in perpetuating the crisis between Israel and Palestine. Their disenchantment led to the point they became an activist against the IDF in Israel, and had to move away because of threats, and constant harassment. These raids are well-known, have been happening for ages, and are basically kidnappings perpetuated by the IDF to make Palestinians afraid, isn't that a kind of terrorism? Or doesn't it apply in this case for some reason that I'd love for you to explain? [0] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-10-11/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-troops-raid-a-palestinian-village-terrifying-residents-for-training-purposes/0000017f-f0ed-d487-abff-f3ffdf450000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-10-11/ty-article-ma... [1] https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2023/israel-home-invasions-palestine-in-the-dead-of-night/ https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2023/israel-home-invas...
alkyon 1y ago
Fully agreed, this Gil Kopatz could as well write articles in Der Stürmer. The same rhetoric was used by the Nazis. For instance, they compared Jews to rats: Caption: “When the vermin are dead, the German oak will flourish once more.” (December 1927) https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/images/sturmer/1927-48.jpg https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/images...
tpm 1y ago
> in Israel of all places The trauma propagates itself. To break the circle is extraordinary, normal is to continue in it.

nandomrumber 1y ago

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saubeidl 1y ago
How many random Gazans has Israel killed by now? 50 times as many? How many is it holding without trial or even cause?
xg15 1y ago
No, but the level of dehumanization openly present is comparable.
- nandomrumber 1y ago
  That’s a wildly out of touch with way reality statement! If you flooded Gaza with chemical weapons and wiped them all out you wouldn’t even come close!
  - xg15 1y ago
    Did you just mean that it wouldn't be comparable because it would only be 2 million instead of 6 million, or did I misunderstand you?
arp242 1y ago
This did not start on Oct 7. Bad faith nonsense. This argumentum ad Oct-7 got tired about a year ago. How long do you plan to keep using it? Two more years? Ten years? Twenty years?
- nandomrumber 1y ago
  When did you say the hostages were taken?
  - cess11 1y ago
    Israel is taking hostages all the time and has been for decades and decades. Commonly children.
  - piva00 1y ago
    Do you consider raids by the IDF in Palestinian villages in the middle of the night[0][1], taking people away without recourse, a hostage taking situation? Because this is something done by the IDF for decades, I shared a house with a Israeli who was in the IDF's intelligence (not a common conscript), participated in such raids in 2010, got told by their officer that these actions were to keep Palestinians afraid, and this is what changed their whole view on the IDF's role in perpetuating the crisis between Israel and Palestine. Their disenchantment led to the point they became an activist against the IDF in Israel, and had to move away because of threats, and constant harassment. These raids are well-known, have been happening for ages, and are basically kidnappings perpetuated by the IDF to make Palestinians afraid, isn't that a kind of terrorism? Or doesn't it apply in this case for some reason that I'd love for you to explain? [0] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-10-11/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-troops-raid-a-palestinian-village-terrifying-residents-for-training-purposes/0000017f-f0ed-d487-abff-f3ffdf450000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-10-11/ty-article-ma... [1] https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2023/israel-home-invasions-palestine-in-the-dead-of-night/ https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2023/israel-home-invas...

alkyon 1y ago

Fully agreed, this Gil Kopatz could as well write articles in Der Stürmer. The same rhetoric was used by the Nazis. For instance, they compared Jews to rats: Caption: “When the vermin are dead, the German oak will flourish once more.” (December 1927) https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/images/sturmer/1927-48.jpg https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/images...

tpm 1y ago

> in Israel of all places The trauma propagates itself. To break the circle is extraordinary, normal is to continue in it.