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And if someone manages to fix the bug described in the OP, he might have to maintain it as a fork because some influential emacs maintainers want it to be frust

And if someone manages to fix the bug described in the OP, he might have to maintain it as a fork because some influential emacs maintainers want it to be frustrating and unpleasant to use Emacs on non-Free OSes.

deafpolygon 1y ago
that kind of inflexible ideology is one of the reasons why i avoid emacs in general
- exe34 1y ago
  Tbh I'd avoid MacOS if I can't run emacs on it.
  - Jtsummers 1y ago
    I've used emacs nearly daily, most of that time with emacs --daemon and computer uptimes measured in months, on macOS (nee OS X) for nearly 20 years. It works fine. I've never encountered whatever issue this post is about in all that time. I cannot think of an instance when emacs froze up on me.
    - ergonaught 1y ago
      ~22 years of daily Emacs on MacOS, and never encountered (or never noticed) it, either. Perhaps a build issue. I think my Linux builds may run slightly better, and Windows slightly worse, but I haven't had a problem on Mac in decades.
      - kstrauser 1y ago
        Thirded. I don't doubt that some people have problems with it. Software that runs on lots of differently-configured and -maintained systems will do that. However, I don't think that's the common case. I wouldn't say I've never had problems, but they've been rare and minor inconveniences at most.
  - f1shy 1y ago
    The funny thing is I bought a mac some years ago because Emacs was installed by default. Sadly does bot come anymore installed, probably because of bad support
- worik 1y ago
  "inflexible ideology" is the dominant paradigm for Apple is it not? Mēh! Maybe not "inflexible", more "inscrutable", very hard to discern any method to their madness....
uludag 1y ago
I think this is a uncharitable take. I don't feel at all that the maintainers have this level of disdain for non-free OSes. Just type C-h n and you can see work done for non-free OSes (e.g. "'NSSpeechRecognitionUsageDescription' now included in "Info.plist" (macOS).") I don't think there'd be pushback on bug fixes. I think it's only new features that would only exist on macOS that get pushback.
- hollerith 1y ago
  I used Emacs on OS X (for 10 years, ending 4.5 y ago). Have you?
  - jrockway 1y ago
    I have. Emacs has never felt actively hostile to me. Rather (as I describe above), running Emacs with a window system has always felt a little jank... free OS or otherwise. (Honestly, Windows is where I've had the best experience.)
    - cobbal 1y ago
      Specific example: for a while, color emoji worked on macOS emacs perfectly. Then it was decided that since linux couldn't support it, it needed to be disabled on macOS, or else people might want to use a non-free system. It was removed for many years. http://xahlee.info/emacs/misc/emacs_macos_emoji.html http://xahlee.info/emacs/misc/emacs_macos_emoji.html
      - karthink 1y ago
        Is there _any_ other example? For years now, this is the only one I've ever seen brought up to support this point. On the other side, there are many MacOS-specific features supported by Emacs, with the recently added dictation support being one of them. If a MacOS feature is missing, it's much more likely to be due to a lack of manpower than a desire to maintain feature parity with Linux.
PaulDavisThe1st 1y ago
Aquamacs, which IME is the best GNU Emacs for macOS, is already a fork.

deafpolygon 1y ago

that kind of inflexible ideology is one of the reasons why i avoid emacs in general

exe34 1y ago
Tbh I'd avoid MacOS if I can't run emacs on it.
- Jtsummers 1y ago
  I've used emacs nearly daily, most of that time with emacs --daemon and computer uptimes measured in months, on macOS (nee OS X) for nearly 20 years. It works fine. I've never encountered whatever issue this post is about in all that time. I cannot think of an instance when emacs froze up on me.
  - ergonaught 1y ago
    ~22 years of daily Emacs on MacOS, and never encountered (or never noticed) it, either. Perhaps a build issue. I think my Linux builds may run slightly better, and Windows slightly worse, but I haven't had a problem on Mac in decades.
    - kstrauser 1y ago
      Thirded. I don't doubt that some people have problems with it. Software that runs on lots of differently-configured and -maintained systems will do that. However, I don't think that's the common case. I wouldn't say I've never had problems, but they've been rare and minor inconveniences at most.
- f1shy 1y ago
  The funny thing is I bought a mac some years ago because Emacs was installed by default. Sadly does bot come anymore installed, probably because of bad support
worik 1y ago
"inflexible ideology" is the dominant paradigm for Apple is it not? Mēh! Maybe not "inflexible", more "inscrutable", very hard to discern any method to their madness....

uludag 1y ago

I think this is a uncharitable take. I don't feel at all that the maintainers have this level of disdain for non-free OSes. Just type C-h n and you can see work done for non-free OSes (e.g. "'NSSpeechRecognitionUsageDescription' now included in "Info.plist" (macOS).") I don't think there'd be pushback on bug fixes. I think it's only new features that would only exist on macOS that get pushback.

hollerith 1y ago
I used Emacs on OS X (for 10 years, ending 4.5 y ago). Have you?
- jrockway 1y ago
  I have. Emacs has never felt actively hostile to me. Rather (as I describe above), running Emacs with a window system has always felt a little jank... free OS or otherwise. (Honestly, Windows is where I've had the best experience.)
  - cobbal 1y ago
    Specific example: for a while, color emoji worked on macOS emacs perfectly. Then it was decided that since linux couldn't support it, it needed to be disabled on macOS, or else people might want to use a non-free system. It was removed for many years. http://xahlee.info/emacs/misc/emacs_macos_emoji.html http://xahlee.info/emacs/misc/emacs_macos_emoji.html
    - karthink 1y ago
      Is there _any_ other example? For years now, this is the only one I've ever seen brought up to support this point. On the other side, there are many MacOS-specific features supported by Emacs, with the recently added dictation support being one of them. If a MacOS feature is missing, it's much more likely to be due to a lack of manpower than a desire to maintain feature parity with Linux.

PaulDavisThe1st 1y ago

Aquamacs, which IME is the best GNU Emacs for macOS, is already a fork.