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As a Norwegian, it is absolutely baffling how someone can seriously utter the words "I am in full support of Israel's actions in Gaza". Is the media coverage th

As a Norwegian, it is absolutely baffling how someone can seriously utter the words "I am in full support of Israel's actions in Gaza". Is the media coverage that different in USA than in Europe? How is it possible?

izzydata 1y ago
As someone from the USA what I see from media coverage is genocide in Gaza. They would have to be truly ignorant and intentionally uninformed to say something like that or be in favor of genocide.
- tguvot 1y ago
  did you ever consider that media coverage is very selective and biased ? i remember half an year ago, during ceasefire when gaza was swamped in aid and food was rotting on the streets, laura coates at prime time said that "hundreds of gazans die from starvation daily". never happened. not even dozens. or when at abby phillips show yesterday, somebody tried to say that presenting images of children with genetic diseases as image of children who are dying from starvation is manipulative, abby phillips stopped this person and said that it's not important. nyt for example quietly updated it's story on this topic https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-862667 https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-862667 you must have seen numerous mentions that 500 trucks of food to gaza is minimum (and actually needed even more), because it's the number of trucks that were entering gaza before war ? but did you see even once mention that 500 is total number of trucks that included construction materials, animal feed, etc.. etc.. and maximum of trucks of food that entered gaza in 1 day before war was 72(82?) you don't get journalism in mainstream media coverage anymore. you get activism https://www.thefp.com/p/friedman-when-we-started-to-lie https://www.thefp.com/p/friedman-when-we-started-to-lie
  - immibis 1y ago
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    - mhb 1y ago
      Struggle harder to explain how 10's of thousands of civilian deaths out of a population of 2 million and which has been increasing during the "genocide" can possibly be a "genocide".
      - immibis 1y ago
        Well, that's also something they said. We may or may not find the final numbers after the war. Remember the official death count is frozen since March 2024, since they killed the people who were counting the deaths.
        mhb 1y ago
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        immibis 1y ago
        I really have no idea what you are talking about. There's a genocide. The people who are doing the genocide told us they were doing a genocide, so there's no need to read the tea leaves. Genocides are bad.
        mhb 1y ago
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cm2012 1y ago
I try very hard to find credible primary and secondary sources of what's true on the ground. For Gaza, but also for Ukraine, Myanmar, Sudan, I am basically a nerd about conflict zones. From all of my research, I believe the IDF gets a bad rap but is no worse in Gaza than any Western army would be in the same situation. And indeed we can see that in dug in cities like the coalition forces vs ISIS in Mosul, civilian casulaties happened at quite similar rates to Gaza.
- immibis 1y ago
  Is it possible that "any Western army" is also pure evil?
  - cm2012 1y ago
    Ulysses Grant, hero of the Civil war for the Union, said, "War is cruelty and cannot be refined." But evil is up to you.
- originalvichy 1y ago
  The United States occupation of Iraq was like a trip to an amusement park compared to Gaza. Please don't compare the IDF to the US military. At least the US military and its soldiers had RoE that they respected. Any breaking of those rules did not get ignored like they do in the IDF.
  - cm2012 1y ago
    People who actually study this stuff say otherwise https://macdonaldlaurier.ca/im-a-war-scholar-there-is-no-genocide-in-gaza-john-spencer-on-x/ https://macdonaldlaurier.ca/im-a-war-scholar-there-is-no-gen...
    - immibis 1y ago
      That's a right-wing propaganda outlet, not an institution of studying

izzydata 1y ago

As someone from the USA what I see from media coverage is genocide in Gaza. They would have to be truly ignorant and intentionally uninformed to say something like that or be in favor of genocide.

tguvot 1y ago
did you ever consider that media coverage is very selective and biased ? i remember half an year ago, during ceasefire when gaza was swamped in aid and food was rotting on the streets, laura coates at prime time said that "hundreds of gazans die from starvation daily". never happened. not even dozens. or when at abby phillips show yesterday, somebody tried to say that presenting images of children with genetic diseases as image of children who are dying from starvation is manipulative, abby phillips stopped this person and said that it's not important. nyt for example quietly updated it's story on this topic https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-862667 https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-862667 you must have seen numerous mentions that 500 trucks of food to gaza is minimum (and actually needed even more), because it's the number of trucks that were entering gaza before war ? but did you see even once mention that 500 is total number of trucks that included construction materials, animal feed, etc.. etc.. and maximum of trucks of food that entered gaza in 1 day before war was 72(82?) you don't get journalism in mainstream media coverage anymore. you get activism https://www.thefp.com/p/friedman-when-we-started-to-lie https://www.thefp.com/p/friedman-when-we-started-to-lie
- immibis 1y ago
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  - mhb 1y ago
    Struggle harder to explain how 10's of thousands of civilian deaths out of a population of 2 million and which has been increasing during the "genocide" can possibly be a "genocide".
    - immibis 1y ago
      Well, that's also something they said. We may or may not find the final numbers after the war. Remember the official death count is frozen since March 2024, since they killed the people who were counting the deaths.
      - mhb 1y ago
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        immibis 1y ago
        I really have no idea what you are talking about. There's a genocide. The people who are doing the genocide told us they were doing a genocide, so there's no need to read the tea leaves. Genocides are bad.
        mhb 1y ago
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cm2012 1y ago

I try very hard to find credible primary and secondary sources of what's true on the ground. For Gaza, but also for Ukraine, Myanmar, Sudan, I am basically a nerd about conflict zones. From all of my research, I believe the IDF gets a bad rap but is no worse in Gaza than any Western army would be in the same situation. And indeed we can see that in dug in cities like the coalition forces vs ISIS in Mosul, civilian casulaties happened at quite similar rates to Gaza.

immibis 1y ago
Is it possible that "any Western army" is also pure evil?
- cm2012 1y ago
  Ulysses Grant, hero of the Civil war for the Union, said, "War is cruelty and cannot be refined." But evil is up to you.
originalvichy 1y ago
The United States occupation of Iraq was like a trip to an amusement park compared to Gaza. Please don't compare the IDF to the US military. At least the US military and its soldiers had RoE that they respected. Any breaking of those rules did not get ignored like they do in the IDF.
- cm2012 1y ago
  People who actually study this stuff say otherwise https://macdonaldlaurier.ca/im-a-war-scholar-there-is-no-genocide-in-gaza-john-spencer-on-x/ https://macdonaldlaurier.ca/im-a-war-scholar-there-is-no-gen...
  - immibis 1y ago
    That's a right-wing propaganda outlet, not an institution of studying