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Question: Which miltary body other than any linked to one of the conflict parties did Israel propose to do the peacekeeping? If the answer is "None" then Israe

by atoav 1y ago

Question: Which miltary body other than any linked to one of the conflict parties did Israel propose to do the peacekeeping? If the answer is "None" then Israel did not in fact propose peacekeeping forces.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Which miltary body other than any linked to one of the conflict parties did Israel propose to do the peacekeeping? Hamas didn’t counter with a preferred peacekeeping composition, they rejected peacekeeping to retain their monopoly on violence (and Gaza’s resources). To the extent there are evils in this story, they’re the leadership of Hamas and Likud.
- atoav 1y ago
  So your answer is None? I didn't claim Isreal set forth a realistic peace keeping plan, you did. And you failed to bring the receipts. What you say here is the equivalent of Russia proposing to Ukraine that the war could be ended if they install the Russian National Guard as peace keepers in their country and then saying: "But Ukraine didn't make a counterproposal". Yes, because that kind of proposal is an insult to the intelligence of everybody who has to read it. And your point about Hamas means you're waving the flag for one of the war parties here and thus have an entirely untrustworthy position anyways. Let me clarify: If a party to any war proposes a peacekeeping force that is already fighting in the war, it is not a credible peace offer, period. A credible peace offer involves a peace keeping force that is seen as neutral enough by both sides of the conflict.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > If a party to any war proposes a peacekeeping force that is already fighting in the war, it is not a credible peace offer This is fair. My point is Hamas has shown zero interest in an international peacekeeping force in Gaza. A lack of enthusiasm possibly only matched by the nations that would have to provide said force.

by atoav 1y ago

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> Which miltary body other than any linked to one of the conflict parties did Israel propose to do the peacekeeping? Hamas didn’t counter with a preferred peacekeeping composition, they rejected peacekeeping to retain their monopoly on violence (and Gaza’s resources). To the extent there are evils in this story, they’re the leadership of Hamas and Likud.

atoav 1y ago
So your answer is None? I didn't claim Isreal set forth a realistic peace keeping plan, you did. And you failed to bring the receipts. What you say here is the equivalent of Russia proposing to Ukraine that the war could be ended if they install the Russian National Guard as peace keepers in their country and then saying: "But Ukraine didn't make a counterproposal". Yes, because that kind of proposal is an insult to the intelligence of everybody who has to read it. And your point about Hamas means you're waving the flag for one of the war parties here and thus have an entirely untrustworthy position anyways. Let me clarify: If a party to any war proposes a peacekeeping force that is already fighting in the war, it is not a credible peace offer, period. A credible peace offer involves a peace keeping force that is seen as neutral enough by both sides of the conflict.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > If a party to any war proposes a peacekeeping force that is already fighting in the war, it is not a credible peace offer This is fair. My point is Hamas has shown zero interest in an international peacekeeping force in Gaza. A lack of enthusiasm possibly only matched by the nations that would have to provide said force.