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Last night I went to bed late and my wife had trouble sleeping. She said that she is afraid of the world where a state can decide that they will plannedly un-li
by wafflemaker 1y ago
Last night I went to bed late and my wife had trouble sleeping. She said that she is afraid of the world where a state can decide that they will plannedly un-live whole other nation and nobody is willing to do anything about that.
We're both from the country where most of the planned un-living of the First Holocaust were performed. We recently discussed how in a street poll, half of Polish population couldn't solve a simple math task, a simple language task and one more simple task, placing Poland in the second last position from all the countries taking place. (For comparison, in Norway and Holland only 9%). And how it was likely a consequence of genetic holocaust performed on Poles by both German and Russian nazis during the 2WW. That systematic destruction of elites can behead a country for years to come.
I tried to calm her down, show her that it's just her Instagram bubble that makes her think so. That such things like planned un-living don't happen anymore in the civilized world where we are living, that last time something like that was about to happen, there was a UN action in the Balkans. Or that through the common effort we've managed to halt Russia's advance when they once again attempted to conquer Europe.
But now in the morning the next day I have my own doubts. That people have to use special language to talk about the Holy Land situation to avoid censorship on Youtube or other websites. That this thread got pulled down 30 minutes after posting (even though I was positively surprised when it was reinstated another 30 min later). That just like during the First Holocaust, even though the nations of civilized world are being informed about what's happening, people are ignoring the subject and not beliving that it actually happen.
- vagippona 1y agoOut of curiosity, are you referring to this "action" in the Balkans, where the UN soldiers basically stood up watching and doing absolutely nothing while 8k civilians where executed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre
- laurent_du 1y agoNothing in the message you are answering suggests this is what they are talking about.
- I-M-S 1y agoThat is precisely the point. OP cites "UN action in the Balkans" to soothe his wife, whereas UN's inaction led to the first legally recognized genocide in Europe since the end of World War II.
- wafflemaker 1y agoNope, while I'm aware of Srebrenica (still have a history podcast on that in my backlog) I meant other actions like arms bans, two air campaign (Deliberate Force and Allied Force) that have prevented even more atrocities. I've read up a little more about it now, didn't know it was that complex. (Pretty much 3 or more wars in the 10y period). Since I read up on it now, I noticed some connections to planned un-living of the current second holocaust in The Strip. Just like in Gaza, there were ~140k ppl killed and millions displaced.
- nsksl 1y agoAh sorry, I thought he may be talking about the bombing of Belgrade :)
- pelagicAustral 1y agoWTF is "un-live"? Had to double-check I wasn't on YouTube.
- xdennis 1y agoContent creators use that language to avoid being de-monetized. Note, no platform actually censors "kill", "suicide", etc, but they do remove monetization. I have no idea why other people use it. It's not like you can monetize comments. I guess it just shows how much cultural pull "new media" have.
- gryfft 1y agoAIUI the tiktok algorithm actually does heavily punish overtly "adult" language https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/20563051231194586 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/20563051231194586
- WesolyKubeczek 1y agoBut thankfully HN is not TikTok; I thought it is a place for adults (and manchildren LARPing as adults).
- kzrdude 1y agoIt's dystopic to say the least to see it escaping the social media bubbles and land here where it serves no purpose
- praptak 1y agoYou can say "murder" on HN.
- idiotsecant 1y agoGood thing you removed all the double plus ungood badthink from your post citizen, your corporate owners thank you and remind you to reward yourself with a cool, refreshing Pepsi-Cola!
- esafak 1y agoBut don't kick the vending machine to get it or you'll have to answer to the Coca Cola company. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ9B7owHxMQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ9B7owHxMQ
- jojobas 1y agoAre you suggesting that the 91% that can solve some tasks in the street are descendants of Jews or priests/nobles/landlords?
- keybored 1y agoI can’t find any other conclusion to draw from that then a race-supremacy argument/premise.
- pif 1y ago> She said that she is afraid of the world where a state can decide [...] and nobody is willing to do anything about that. You may explain her that this is a different face of the same world where a state has been targeted by hatred and terrorism for 80 years, and everybody insisted on them being patient and just live with it. What's happening is sad, but it is not sadder than what preceded it.
- ImPostingOnHN 1y ago>> She said that she is afraid of the world where a state can decide that they will plannedly un-live whole other nation and nobody is willing to do anything about that. > You may explain her that this is a different face of the same world where a state has been targeted by hatred and terrorism for 80 years, and everybody insisted on them being patient and just live with it. Being upset at the world and unwilling to engage in diplomacy is, thankfully, not a valid justification for ethnic cleansing and genocide. > What's happening is sad, but it is not sadder than what preceded it. The ongoing ethnic cleansing and genocide of Palestinians is definitely sadder than what preceded it.
- pif 1y agoBeing upset at the world is not a valid justification for terrorism, either.
- ImPostingOnHN 1y agoBeing upset at what you believe to be terrorism is, thankfully, not a valid justification for ethnic cleansing and genocide, either.
- southernplaces7 1y agoWhy use this word, "un-live" multiple times? How does one confront or at all protest grotesque things if they can't so much as mention them without absurd, childish euphemisms? Kill, it's about killing, or maybe more accurately: exterminating, butchering, slaughtering, murdering. There, better to properly, crudely name things that are by nature crude and barbaric.
- kzrdude 1y agoI think you are right to have doubts. Europe was sincere when it said Russia must not be allowed to unilaterally invade and occupy other countries. Because that is the starting point to what you said, the unilateral murder or expulsion of whole peoples and nations. If we look backwards in time, we come from a very violent history, but politics and technology has continuously reshaped how it happens. For example wars post industrialism were much more murderous than ever before. The long arch view(?) seems to be that the post-WWII era has ended and something new is coming around the corner. It looks like an era of bigger empires but without the single superpower.
- keybored 1y ago> We're both from the country where most of the planned un-living of the First Holocaust were performed. We recently discussed how in a street poll, half of Polish population couldn't solve a simple math task, a simple language task and one more simple task, placing Poland in the second last position from all the countries taking place. (For comparison, in Norway and Holland only 9%). And how it was likely a consequence of genetic holocaust performed on Poles by both German and Russian nazis during the 2WW. That systematic destruction of elites can behead a country for years to come. Objecting to the Holocaust because it eugenicized the wrong way is a thing I guess.