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Israel is the textbook example of proverbs "you become what you're fighting with" and "if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you".

jojobas 1y ago
If they were 10% as bad as their opposition Gaza would have been Arab-free for decades now.
- lifestyleguru 1y ago
  I'm afraid "we're still not as bad as them" is part of that thinking.
- southernplaces7 1y ago
  Not sure why you were downvoted. Though it's a disgustingly poor excuse to say "at least we're not as bad as the Nazis" in justifying your own country's crimes against humanity, it also gives a bit of perspective when people do actually compare the modern Israeli state's violence with the savagery of the political system that provoked its formation.
  - Workaccount2 1y ago
    Lots of people clutching their pitchforks over the great rivalry of Israel and Palestine that began in October 2023.
  - southernplaces7 1y ago
    Boy did this get downvoted. Truly folks, if any of you really believe the modern Israeli state to be in any way comparable to Nazi Germany, I suggest you go read a fucking history book or two in detail. I'm not defending Israel here either. The Netenyahoo (and he is a murderous, corrupt yahoo indeed) government has long since crossed the lines of defensibility, even for someone who has generally been a strong proponent of Israel's right to national defense, and an opponent of giving the Palestinian political organizations way too many moral free passes.
- mardifoufs 1y ago
  They have been settling the only territory that actually stopped the armed struggle against Israel. The West Bank has literally kicked out Hamas, stopped fighting for years, and given up their arms for the most part. And Israel has been relentlessly colonizing them since then, as a show of good faith I guess. The Palestinians there have absolutely 0 recourse, and will eventually lose all of their home land. But I'm sure they wouldn't have done the same to Gaza if they would've just done the right thing by kicking off Hamas, and stopping any armed resistance ! I mean they didn't literally kill every single arab in Gaza yet so they are very progressive. They'd rather just slowly settle your land and kill you if you resist, as opposed to Hamas who would've done the same but faster. Let's not forget that they have killed tens of thousands of Muslims, but at least they could've killed even more!
  - tguvot 1y ago
    Actually hamas, pij and other organizations are alive and kicking in West Bank. There are areas that PA doesn't control because of them. Last year PA tried to deal with them, failed and called in Israel in order to take out hamas. PA in West Bank exists only because Israeli military supports it. Also there is non stop attempts (some successful and some not) to execute terror attacks from West Bank. It just never appears in Western media
    - mardifoufs 1y ago
      Still, as you said they are also hunted down and are marginal in the West Bank. It did nothing to stop Israel from settling as they pleased. And the Fatah also stopped armed resistance on their own, and fought off Hamas. So while the PA might only exist now because Israel props them up, that wasn't the case 20 years ago, not to the same extent. The West Bank Palestinians there went for a more pacifist route and in return, got the biggest wave of unbridled settlements in the past 60 years. And they have lost any mean to even scare the settlers off. The settlers know that they are almost entirely defenseless, relatively speaking.
      - tguvot 1y ago
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nahuel0x 1y ago
Zionism didn't become nazism by fighting against it, there is a deep history of zionism collaborating with the Nazi regime. Both shared an ethno-nationalist worldview from the start and the objective of moving the Jewish people out of Germany.
- sillystuff 1y ago
  This is true. The original European Jews who founded Israel were even opposed to the German Nazis transferring thousands of Jewish children to other countries to save their lives. These Zionist Jews thought it would be better for their state building project if these children were all murdered than if the children were sent anywhere except to Palestine. But, some of the collaboration wasn't really the Zionist Jews' entire fault. E.g., the machine tools the Zionist Jews used to create weaponry to murder Palestinian civilians and ethnically cleans Palestine were all German made, and purchased from the Nazi regime, but this was because the Nazis only allowed the rich jews to leave with German made products, not with cash. So, when the minority of Jews fled to Israel/Palestine instead of to the United States (vast majority went to the US), they were instructed to purchase machine tools from the Germans to bring with them.
  - lifestyleguru 1y ago
    Good old German industrial lobbying with opponent with their fingers in a vise. I'm wondering in case of a conflict who will be better off, me with stock portfolio at "broker GmbH" or others with real estate within the range of Russian rockets and drones.
  - bigtex88 1y ago
    This is insane and offered up with zero sources.
    - nahuel0x 1y ago
      You can start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_Nazi_f%C3%A4hrt_nach_Pal%C3%A4stina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_Nazi_f%C3%A4hrt_nach_Pal%C... , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement ,https://etd.ohiolink.edu/acprod/odb_etd/ws/send_file/send?accession=case1365174634&disposition=inline https://etd.ohiolink.edu/acprod/odb_etd/ws/send_file/send?ac...
ryandv 1y ago
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jojobas 1y ago

If they were 10% as bad as their opposition Gaza would have been Arab-free for decades now.

lifestyleguru 1y ago
I'm afraid "we're still not as bad as them" is part of that thinking.
southernplaces7 1y ago
Not sure why you were downvoted. Though it's a disgustingly poor excuse to say "at least we're not as bad as the Nazis" in justifying your own country's crimes against humanity, it also gives a bit of perspective when people do actually compare the modern Israeli state's violence with the savagery of the political system that provoked its formation.
- Workaccount2 1y ago
  Lots of people clutching their pitchforks over the great rivalry of Israel and Palestine that began in October 2023.
- southernplaces7 1y ago
  Boy did this get downvoted. Truly folks, if any of you really believe the modern Israeli state to be in any way comparable to Nazi Germany, I suggest you go read a fucking history book or two in detail. I'm not defending Israel here either. The Netenyahoo (and he is a murderous, corrupt yahoo indeed) government has long since crossed the lines of defensibility, even for someone who has generally been a strong proponent of Israel's right to national defense, and an opponent of giving the Palestinian political organizations way too many moral free passes.
mardifoufs 1y ago
They have been settling the only territory that actually stopped the armed struggle against Israel. The West Bank has literally kicked out Hamas, stopped fighting for years, and given up their arms for the most part. And Israel has been relentlessly colonizing them since then, as a show of good faith I guess. The Palestinians there have absolutely 0 recourse, and will eventually lose all of their home land. But I'm sure they wouldn't have done the same to Gaza if they would've just done the right thing by kicking off Hamas, and stopping any armed resistance ! I mean they didn't literally kill every single arab in Gaza yet so they are very progressive. They'd rather just slowly settle your land and kill you if you resist, as opposed to Hamas who would've done the same but faster. Let's not forget that they have killed tens of thousands of Muslims, but at least they could've killed even more!
- tguvot 1y ago
  Actually hamas, pij and other organizations are alive and kicking in West Bank. There are areas that PA doesn't control because of them. Last year PA tried to deal with them, failed and called in Israel in order to take out hamas. PA in West Bank exists only because Israeli military supports it. Also there is non stop attempts (some successful and some not) to execute terror attacks from West Bank. It just never appears in Western media
  - mardifoufs 1y ago
    Still, as you said they are also hunted down and are marginal in the West Bank. It did nothing to stop Israel from settling as they pleased. And the Fatah also stopped armed resistance on their own, and fought off Hamas. So while the PA might only exist now because Israel props them up, that wasn't the case 20 years ago, not to the same extent. The West Bank Palestinians there went for a more pacifist route and in return, got the biggest wave of unbridled settlements in the past 60 years. And they have lost any mean to even scare the settlers off. The settlers know that they are almost entirely defenseless, relatively speaking.
    - tguvot 1y ago

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nahuel0x 1y ago

Zionism didn't become nazism by fighting against it, there is a deep history of zionism collaborating with the Nazi regime. Both shared an ethno-nationalist worldview from the start and the objective of moving the Jewish people out of Germany.

sillystuff 1y ago
This is true. The original European Jews who founded Israel were even opposed to the German Nazis transferring thousands of Jewish children to other countries to save their lives. These Zionist Jews thought it would be better for their state building project if these children were all murdered than if the children were sent anywhere except to Palestine. But, some of the collaboration wasn't really the Zionist Jews' entire fault. E.g., the machine tools the Zionist Jews used to create weaponry to murder Palestinian civilians and ethnically cleans Palestine were all German made, and purchased from the Nazi regime, but this was because the Nazis only allowed the rich jews to leave with German made products, not with cash. So, when the minority of Jews fled to Israel/Palestine instead of to the United States (vast majority went to the US), they were instructed to purchase machine tools from the Germans to bring with them.
- lifestyleguru 1y ago
  Good old German industrial lobbying with opponent with their fingers in a vise. I'm wondering in case of a conflict who will be better off, me with stock portfolio at "broker GmbH" or others with real estate within the range of Russian rockets and drones.
- bigtex88 1y ago
  This is insane and offered up with zero sources.
  - nahuel0x 1y ago
    You can start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_Nazi_f%C3%A4hrt_nach_Pal%C3%A4stina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_Nazi_f%C3%A4hrt_nach_Pal%C... , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement ,https://etd.ohiolink.edu/acprod/odb_etd/ws/send_file/send?accession=case1365174634&disposition=inline https://etd.ohiolink.edu/acprod/odb_etd/ws/send_file/send?ac...

ryandv 1y ago

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