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This has been happening regularly over the course of decades on the West Bank but no-one is willing to call it "Terrorism" and therefore respond appropriately.
by ml-anon 1y ago
This has been happening regularly over the course of decades on the West Bank but no-one is willing to call it "Terrorism" and therefore respond appropriately.
- throw933939 1y ago[dead]
- A_D_E_P_T 1y agoIt's even worse than that. Israel's minister of the security services is ideologically aligned with the terrorists, and has openly supported their causes all his life. A quite unprecedented situation, I think!
- cess11 1y agoNo, it's been the norm for Israel since its inception. To mention just a couple of examples, ben-Gurion was a founder of Haganah, of which Rabin, infamous for his "break-their-bones" policy, was a member. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Break-their-bones_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Break-their-bones_policy
- slt2021 1y ago[flagged]
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- tptacek 1y agoNo, this was a misquote, but it sounds juicy so it will never stop being passed around on the Internet. Netanyahu cited a completely different verse of the Torah, which was then mischaracterized.
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- slt2021 1y agothere is plenty of Israeli officials like smotrich bengvir and other invoking Amalek doctrine. Also Israel officialy had "mowing the lawn" doctrine that is literal genocide https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2025.2506162 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2025.2...
- tptacek 1y agoI'm really not so much interested in litigating the broader conflict; just, this is a factoid that gets brought into these threads, and it's worth knowing the quote people are referring to was mischaracterized.
- slt2021 1y agoif we are interested in truth and justice, there is a mountain of evidence of genocide at ICC/ICJ awaiting the trial, so we should let the judicial process run its way, just like with Nuremberg trials
- tptacek 1y agoWhether or not this is true, it has nothing to do with the comment I left.
- FireBeyond 1y ago“There are many other quotes either similar meaning and intent, but you got the intent of this one quote wrong” is not… something I’d feel the need to point out to people. “Technically correct, the worst kind of correct”.
- tptacek 1y agoThe claim being made is the Netanyahu himself expressed coded genocidal intent, by citing a passage from the Book of Samuel in which God commands King Saul to kill every member of Amalek. But he's quoting an entirely different passage, unrelated to the Book of Samuel, about a surprise attack. It's not a technical distinction. People should stop bringing up the Amalek thing. Virtually everyone who cites it has no idea what it's a reference to. Given the gravity of everything that has happened since 2023, it's a pointless diversion. Any argument you want to make, you can make without this.
- ml-anon 1y agoI guess if they are viewed as an occupying force, it’s much less unprecedented. In fact it’s exactly how you’d expect an occupation to act.
- tedivm 1y agoThis isn't an occupation, it's an ethnic cleansing.
- echelon_musk 1y agoDeuteronomy 9:4 > After the Lord your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, “The Lord has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.” No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is going to drive them out before you. I think there is a common belief that Israel was "given" the land beyond the Jordan because they were God's chosen people based on their merits. Deuteronomy seems to imply Israel were just the least bad people. Israel seems wicked to me now.
- wds 1y agoKeep in mind this was written by man. People are being murdered thousands of years later because of the ancient Judea equivalent of 'Harry Potter', and the batshit insane people who still believe it in earnest.
- saubeidl 1y ago[flagged]
- fractallyte 1y agoWell, it's more complex than that... Definitely, the government of Serbia supported (or at the very least, ignored) Serb paramilitaries, which were infamous for carrying out "ethnic cleansing". On the Croatian side, right-wing paramilitaries were quicker to organize national defense, and were far more effective, than government forces. This led to a rather uncomfortable situation for the government, which was resolved by assassinating the paramilitary leaders (note: I have no citation for this, it's just a strong suspicion), and absorbing their soldiers into the official armed forces. Bosnia's muslim population had a confused notion of nationalism, which was fully taken advantage of by the Serbs, and to some extent the Croats, to further their ambitions. I believe that is a more accurate summary of the situation in 1990s Balkans.
- lotsofpulp 1y agoThere is a lot of precedent for one tribe eliminating another tribe to gain land. The only way a conflict over land ends is if one side wins.
- mc32 1y agoThe problem is that until a few hundred years ago, you could stand your ground and either win or lose (happened a lot) or you sought uninhabited land elsewhere )or a weaker party to kick out) That also happened a lot. Back then borders were defined by what you could actively defend, though treaties also existed. These days though, there is no unclaimed land or unpopulated place to move in to. Practically speaking anyway. No one would want to move into the Yucatan jungles or Boreal Siberia even if the host countries invited them in to settle land.
- lotsofpulp 1y ago> The problem is that until a few hundred years ago, you could stand your ground and either win or lose (happened a lot) or you sought uninhabited land elsewhere )or a weaker party to kick out) That also happened a lot. Back then borders were defined by what you could actively defend, though treaties also existed. That is the same situation that exists today. Might makes right is the only rule of nature. Treaties are just hopes that someone will help with defending your borders. See Russia expanding its borders into what was previously recognized as Ukraine.
- mc32 1y agoRight. But before you could “run away” if you were willing to. Today you don’t have places to run to without running into other people willing to defend their places. In the past you had lots and lots of peoples who just got erased as modern concepts of fairness and justice didn’t work the same way. See the warring states period.
- lotsofpulp 1y agoMaybe. I don’t know that there was a place to run to a few hundred years ago. That was when Native Americans were pushed out (in North and South), Aborigines in Australia, etc.
- reverendsteveii 1y agowe're precedenting it in the united states. our government is deeply ideologically aligned with the people committing the vast majority of domestic terrorism in this country.
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- GuinansEyebrows 1y agoThe Family by Jeff Sharlet is great for a look at the actual working process of the political Evangelical movement. i'll have to take a look at Hedges' book, thanks for recommending!
- sc68cal 1y agoChris Hedges is _always_ an excellent source. Wish more journalists were like him
- burnt-resistor 1y agoThere are a few. Chris Owens just interviewed Jeremy Corbyn and it was really revealing. Jordan Chariton/Status Coup gets out to communities after the mainstream media leaves and misses the aftermath. Democracy Now! has been following the atrocities in Gaza nearly every day with personal accounts from people on the ground. Medhi Hasan, Sam Seder, Robert Reich, David Pakman, Meidastouch, Malcolm Nance, and Thom Hartmann to name a few. Another one particular to Israel is The Salukie who is a half Arab Israeli Jew who goes undercover to West Bank refugee camps to show what's really going on and how everyday people are treated on all sides.
- pc86 1y agoThe vast majority of the government are full-time employees without any express political allegiance aside from whatever they happen to personally believe. I doubt they are "deeply ideologically aligned with...domestic terrorism" and most of them would probably physically assault you for suggesting they agreed with domestic terrorists in person.
- throwaway29812 1y ago[dead]
- cess11 1y agoThe perpetrator, Yinon Levy, has sanctions put on him by a few countries. The current regime in the White House lifted the US sanction a while ago. Arguably it's worse than what is usually meant by terrorism, i.e. civilians or paramilitaries attacking a state by actions against civilians, since it's a state exterminating stateless civilians.
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- actionfromafar 1y agoJust because there is an enabler, doesn't absolve the bystanders.
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- saubeidl 1y agoIt's two violent ethnoreligious fascist movements with dreams of cleansing the land - that they both think was promised to them by God! - of the unbelievers. Only one of them enjoys the support of the West and it's coincidentally the one that is currently succeeding at realizing their vision.
- pif 1y agoIt would have succeeded decades ago if the West hadn't put so much pressure on them to just swallow it.
- myrmidon 1y agoYou a re being very reductive in order to make your point, but thats fair enough, I don't entirely disagree. But I would like to point out that the situation is significantly less symmetrical than the picture you paint: Yes, lots of Israelis treat the other side as second class citizens (apartheid analogies make a valid point). BUT if you flipped the power distribution, and gave the Palestinian side a fully functional modern army, then we would no longer need to be arguing about the semantics of "genocide", because practically every single jew in the region would be killed within weeks. There is significant restraint on the Israeli side that they deserve quite some credit for, in my opinion. I believe it is very important (and right!) to keep the ruling side (Israelis) "honest", and to speak out in favor of the "underdogs", but the "both sides" argument feels dishonest and misplaced here to me, and IMO "the West" fully supporting the Palestinian side would have been genocidal from the start, and escalated into an unmitigated disaster basically immediately (my position is that the current situation is still a barely "mitigated disaster", and de-escalation instead of October 7and its lead-up would have been an actual possibility with some effort from all sides).
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- superzamp 1y agoWell, France just took a stance and officially qualified this as terrorism [1] for the first time. [1] https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/dossiers-pays/israel-territoires-palestiniens/actualites-et-evenements/2025/article/israel-territoires-palestiniens-meurtre-d-odeh-hathalin-en-cisjordanie-29-07-25 https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/dossiers-pays/israel-terri...
- sillystuff 1y agoIsraeli jewish settlers murdered, on average, one Palestinian civilian per day in the west bank, for the entire year leading up to oct 11. The attacks on Palestinian civilians in the west bank have only accelerated, since then. Israel is a terrorist organization, not a state.
- gljiva 1y agoDo you perhaps have sources of those claims at hand?
- snypher 1y agohttps://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/1/israel-has-killed-1000-palestinians-in-the-west-bank-since-october-7-2023 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/1/israel-has-killed-10...
- tguvot 1y agoif you will read the article, you will see that it talks about IDF and settlers. PA in fact called in IDF to suppress hamas and pij in areas that PA tried to clear out but failed. Articles like this on purpose blur lines of what happening and meant to generate outrage. Once I traced back article that talked about 48 (or something) palestinians killed by settlers by going through listed sources in the article. when I got to original article (twice removed), I discovered that it talked about 47 killed by IDF and 1 killed in clashes between settlers and palestinians
- istjohn 1y agoThe PA is a puppet government of Israel. The last elections for PA leadership were in 2006. I don't think the distinction between settlers and the IDF is as salient to most outside observers as you think it is.
- tguvot 1y agoso, when israel on pa requests going to mop up hamas, because otherwise it about to be overthrown, and IDF kills 999 hamas/pij/lions of whatever members, it's essentially "settler violence". do i get it right ? and about "puppet". the very funny part is that people that demand for PA to have controls over west bank/gaza as sovereign, don't realize that it physically unable to do so without Israeli support. And Israeli support makes local population regards PA as Israeli puppet. The was major reason for Israel refusing to get into 2007 gaza purge of PA
- Adverblessly 1y agoIf you want to see someone refer to acts of the Hilltop Youth as Jewish Terrorism and condemn it, you need only switch to channel 12 (Israeli channel, that is).