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have to admit that we did some logo plays. but our users are really all over the place and just wanted to show it off! i am not sure how it looked but that's wh

have to admit that we did some logo plays. but our users are really all over the place and just wanted to show it off! i am not sure how it looked but that's why we didn't use terms like "teams" or "customers" to be honest while showing some validation.

Lionga 1y ago
"Logo play" is such a YCombinator word for Lie.
- yaseer 1y ago
  It says "Our users are everywhere" and shows some logos for the companies these users are from. If the users are from those companies, this is not lying. If they added logos for companies their users are not from, it would be lying. Adding a logo to your webpage has started to follow different patterns for the stage of the company. Early stage companies show things like "people at X, Y, Z use our product!" (showing logos without permission), whilst later stage ones tend to show logos after asking for permission, and with more formal case studies. They may not have asked for permission to show these logos, but that's not the same thing as lying.
  - weego 1y ago
    There's a lot of heavy lifting in the idea that someone who tried it / used it of their own volition that happens to work for, say Google, is the same as indicating that your product is "used by Google". It's a lie of accuracy, but still a lie.
    - addandsubtract 1y ago
      The customer used a Gmail address!
  - jrvieira 1y ago
    I feel like everyone already understands that argument and it won't convince anyone that it's any less of a lie.
  - Aurornis 1y ago
    > If the users are from those companies, this is not lying. Do you really believe all of those companies allow employees to install pre-release software on their computers which records company meetings and interacts with a long list of 3rd party APIs? I doubt it. They could have had people who are employed by these companies use it on their personal computers for some purpose, but the implication they’re trying to make is that those companies have chosen this software. That’s a lie.
    - yujonglee 1y ago
      > and interacts with a long list of 3rd party APIs? I doubt it. It does not interact with 3rd party API.(except opt-out-able analytics) It uses local-ai models. No data leave user's device. It helps users in large org to try it. > but the implication they’re trying to make is that those companies have chosen this software. We used "Our *Users* are Everywhere" to avoid that implication. It is not typical B2B software, but open-source desktop app that individuals can use.
petesergeant 1y ago
> we did some logo plays Help me understand what this means
- abxyz 1y ago
  The most honest version is the company is paying for the tool. The most stretched version I’ve seen is a former employee of a company uses the tool in a personal capacity. Most commonly for newly launched things it means someone with an @company email has tried the tool (even if they didn’t pay). You could, for example, set up a waitlist and then let anyone with a logo-worthy email in.
  - santiagobasulto 1y ago
    I think this is way too far. For me personally, the threshold to put the logo is someone within the company is paying, even though the whole company is not in a contract. For example, you might not have a full fledged contract with Google, but one manager of a tiny team might have used her/his company credit card to pay for your tool. If the sum is below a certain threshold, they don't need to authorize or go through vendor vetting and all that.
    - atoav 1y ago
      Well "Joe in accounting from Google is using it" doesn't have the same glamour as putting the Google logo apparently.
    - druskacik 1y ago
      The threshold should be that a relevant representative of the company agreed to have the logo displayed on the website. Anything other than that is deceptive.
  - Aurornis 1y ago
    > Most commonly for newly launched things it means someone with an @company email has tried the tool (even if they didn’t pay) The current growth hacking play is to have people look through their personal network to find friends who work at those companies, then to have those friends say they’ll try the software So it’s unlikely not even organic signups. It’s being pushed to friends and friends-of-friends who are unknowingly being used for their company affiliation.
48terry 1y ago
> i am not sure how it looked Well, it looks a lot like you're playing word games to get clout-by-association that you don't necessarily deserve. That doesn't seem like something an authentic person (or people) would try to do. Are the other claims about your team and software equally unserious?

Lionga 1y ago

"Logo play" is such a YCombinator word for Lie.

yaseer 1y ago
It says "Our users are everywhere" and shows some logos for the companies these users are from. If the users are from those companies, this is not lying. If they added logos for companies their users are not from, it would be lying. Adding a logo to your webpage has started to follow different patterns for the stage of the company. Early stage companies show things like "people at X, Y, Z use our product!" (showing logos without permission), whilst later stage ones tend to show logos after asking for permission, and with more formal case studies. They may not have asked for permission to show these logos, but that's not the same thing as lying.
- weego 1y ago
  There's a lot of heavy lifting in the idea that someone who tried it / used it of their own volition that happens to work for, say Google, is the same as indicating that your product is "used by Google". It's a lie of accuracy, but still a lie.
  - addandsubtract 1y ago
    The customer used a Gmail address!
- jrvieira 1y ago
  I feel like everyone already understands that argument and it won't convince anyone that it's any less of a lie.
- Aurornis 1y ago
  > If the users are from those companies, this is not lying. Do you really believe all of those companies allow employees to install pre-release software on their computers which records company meetings and interacts with a long list of 3rd party APIs? I doubt it. They could have had people who are employed by these companies use it on their personal computers for some purpose, but the implication they’re trying to make is that those companies have chosen this software. That’s a lie.
  - yujonglee 1y ago
    > and interacts with a long list of 3rd party APIs? I doubt it. It does not interact with 3rd party API.(except opt-out-able analytics) It uses local-ai models. No data leave user's device. It helps users in large org to try it. > but the implication they’re trying to make is that those companies have chosen this software. We used "Our *Users* are Everywhere" to avoid that implication. It is not typical B2B software, but open-source desktop app that individuals can use.

petesergeant 1y ago

> we did some logo plays Help me understand what this means

abxyz 1y ago
The most honest version is the company is paying for the tool. The most stretched version I’ve seen is a former employee of a company uses the tool in a personal capacity. Most commonly for newly launched things it means someone with an @company email has tried the tool (even if they didn’t pay). You could, for example, set up a waitlist and then let anyone with a logo-worthy email in.
- santiagobasulto 1y ago
  I think this is way too far. For me personally, the threshold to put the logo is someone within the company is paying, even though the whole company is not in a contract. For example, you might not have a full fledged contract with Google, but one manager of a tiny team might have used her/his company credit card to pay for your tool. If the sum is below a certain threshold, they don't need to authorize or go through vendor vetting and all that.
  - atoav 1y ago
    Well "Joe in accounting from Google is using it" doesn't have the same glamour as putting the Google logo apparently.
  - druskacik 1y ago
    The threshold should be that a relevant representative of the company agreed to have the logo displayed on the website. Anything other than that is deceptive.
- Aurornis 1y ago
  > Most commonly for newly launched things it means someone with an @company email has tried the tool (even if they didn’t pay) The current growth hacking play is to have people look through their personal network to find friends who work at those companies, then to have those friends say they’ll try the software So it’s unlikely not even organic signups. It’s being pushed to friends and friends-of-friends who are unknowingly being used for their company affiliation.

48terry 1y ago

> i am not sure how it looked Well, it looks a lot like you're playing word games to get clout-by-association that you don't necessarily deserve. That doesn't seem like something an authentic person (or people) would try to do. Are the other claims about your team and software equally unserious?