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You and several thousand other people see it that way, meanwhile the billions of other computer users out here don’t.

hgomersall 1y ago
Do they have a choice? I mean, an actual one that doesn't take significant technical ability.
bigyabai 1y ago
Those billions need to accept the facts. They're not getting a Windows phone again, and Apple won't likely cannibalize Mac demand with the iPhone. If they want to have their cake and eat it too, they can either run Linux in an Android container, or Android in a Linux container.
- philistine 1y ago
  People don't want to quickly turn their phone into a desktop, they want to quickly turn their phone into a laptop. Apple's laptops are over 75% of its sales. And if you have the screen and keyboard of a laptop, why not put a CPU, battery et al. in there?
  - fsflover 1y ago
    I think you are missing the point. People don't want to turn anything into anything. They want a minimal number of devices covering all their needs.
- WorldPeas 1y ago
  then I guess we'll have to wait for companies like huawei with their mate xt, or more likely given friendshoring, the samsung trifold to give people phones that turn into tablets and have a companion keyboard for them to feel this is enough of a threat to address
const_cast 1y ago
Popularity =/= quality. That being said, obviously the Librem phone is missing functionality. Most computer users are goo goo ga ga level users. Most people in the US use iMessage, for example. It's not the best messenger, not even close. It's not the most ubiquitous either - doesn't even break top 5 globally. Doesn't have the most features. Not the fastest. Not the most secure. Not the easiest to use. They just use it because it's already installed and right there. That is how deep their understanding and comprehension can go.
- philistine 1y ago
  You picked the exact worst example to illustrate your point. People do not pick their messaging service, it is driven by adoption of everybody else. That's why you're downvoted.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    Right, but as ive stated: thats popularity, not quality. There's a difference. Picking something for popularity is perfectly valid.
- meta_ai_x 1y ago
  For Operating Systems and Ecosystems, Popularity == Quality. The more popular a software is, the more edge cases it encounters and solves issues. More people will write software, plugins, tools for it.
  - fsflover 1y ago
    Are you saying that Windows is the most high-quality operating system in the world? This is not even funny. Did you hear about the concepts of walled garden and network effect?
- msgodel 1y ago
  There are a lot of people who are not "goo goo ga ga" level users and really need a device. I've switched to UMPCs because the constant lies and intentional breakage from smartphone vendors drove me up the wall.

Do they have a choice? I mean, an actual one that doesn't take significant technical ability.

Those billions need to accept the facts. They're not getting a Windows phone again, and Apple won't likely cannibalize Mac demand with the iPhone. If they want to have their cake and eat it too, they can either run Linux in an Android container, or Android in a Linux container.

philistine 1y ago
People don't want to quickly turn their phone into a desktop, they want to quickly turn their phone into a laptop. Apple's laptops are over 75% of its sales. And if you have the screen and keyboard of a laptop, why not put a CPU, battery et al. in there?
- fsflover 1y ago
  I think you are missing the point. People don't want to turn anything into anything. They want a minimal number of devices covering all their needs.
WorldPeas 1y ago
then I guess we'll have to wait for companies like huawei with their mate xt, or more likely given friendshoring, the samsung trifold to give people phones that turn into tablets and have a companion keyboard for them to feel this is enough of a threat to address

const_cast 1y ago

Popularity =/= quality. That being said, obviously the Librem phone is missing functionality. Most computer users are goo goo ga ga level users. Most people in the US use iMessage, for example. It's not the best messenger, not even close. It's not the most ubiquitous either - doesn't even break top 5 globally. Doesn't have the most features. Not the fastest. Not the most secure. Not the easiest to use. They just use it because it's already installed and right there. That is how deep their understanding and comprehension can go.

philistine 1y ago
You picked the exact worst example to illustrate your point. People do not pick their messaging service, it is driven by adoption of everybody else. That's why you're downvoted.
- const_cast 1y ago
  Right, but as ive stated: thats popularity, not quality. There's a difference. Picking something for popularity is perfectly valid.
meta_ai_x 1y ago
For Operating Systems and Ecosystems, Popularity == Quality. The more popular a software is, the more edge cases it encounters and solves issues. More people will write software, plugins, tools for it.
- fsflover 1y ago
  Are you saying that Windows is the most high-quality operating system in the world? This is not even funny. Did you hear about the concepts of walled garden and network effect?
msgodel 1y ago
There are a lot of people who are not "goo goo ga ga" level users and really need a device. I've switched to UMPCs because the constant lies and intentional breakage from smartphone vendors drove me up the wall.