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The tech is arguably not there yet. From my own observations, normies get annoyed quickly because they expect it to work like deterministic software. And they t

The tech is arguably not there yet. From my own observations, normies get annoyed quickly because they expect it to work like deterministic software. And they tend to be way less interested in it in general, especially when I’m breathlessly telling them about this and that latest development.

karel-3d 1y ago
oh wow people want their software to be deterministic and with the same set of inputs get the same set of outputs! What is this, the 90s?
nolok 1y ago
But I can ask the AI, it understand what I want and give me the steps. I can ask it to give it to me in api call instead and it does, after a bit of mashup. Sure the api link and permissions and yada yada plays a part, but thats exactly how they can trap us into office365, with already use azure permissions and everything. Again I'm sure it's harder than it looks, but it's not an AI problem anymore, and they're throwing billions at it.
ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 1y ago
> normies do you mean users?
wkat4242 1y ago
Yeah they don't understand we're in the equivalent phase that the commodore 64 was for the computer.
surgical_fire 1y ago
> normies get annoyed quickly because they expect it to work like deterministic software In very few use cases it is acceptable to have non-deterministic result for computation tasks. It does not matter if you are a normie or an advanced user.
- dotancohen 1y ago
  Normal people don't understand what the word deterministic is, nor do they really expect their software to produce deterministic results. For one thing, they're not running the operation multiple times and comparing the outputs. For another, if they give the same task to three different people they're going to get three different results anyway, so what does it matter if the computer gives three different results, if they even notice.
  - izacus 1y ago
    What are you basing those claims on?
  - surgical_fire 1y ago
    > Normal people don't understand what the word deterministic is I would argue that they implicitly do, as any user expects the same action performed on a computer or similar system to provide the same outcome. > For another, if they give the same task to three different people they're going to get three different results Give the same three tasks to a single user to be executed three times separately, and he will get supremely annoyed if his actions do not give him the same results.
    - bigstrat2003 1y ago
      Not even implicitly understand. A layman is perfectly capable of understanding what deterministic behavior is, and claiming otherwise is just condescension.
    - dotancohen 1y ago
      Then you and I work with very different people. Here it seems "reset it and try again" is considered a viable problem solving technique.
      - surgical_fire 1y ago
        It sometimes is, as resetting may clean some dirty state. Even when people don't really understand why they are doing it, and are merely following trends they saw elsewhere, it does not invalidate the point.

karel-3d 1y ago

oh wow people want their software to be deterministic and with the same set of inputs get the same set of outputs! What is this, the 90s?

nolok 1y ago

But I can ask the AI, it understand what I want and give me the steps. I can ask it to give it to me in api call instead and it does, after a bit of mashup. Sure the api link and permissions and yada yada plays a part, but thats exactly how they can trap us into office365, with already use azure permissions and everything. Again I'm sure it's harder than it looks, but it's not an AI problem anymore, and they're throwing billions at it.

ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 1y ago

> normies do you mean users?

wkat4242 1y ago

Yeah they don't understand we're in the equivalent phase that the commodore 64 was for the computer.

surgical_fire 1y ago

> normies get annoyed quickly because they expect it to work like deterministic software In very few use cases it is acceptable to have non-deterministic result for computation tasks. It does not matter if you are a normie or an advanced user.

dotancohen 1y ago
Normal people don't understand what the word deterministic is, nor do they really expect their software to produce deterministic results. For one thing, they're not running the operation multiple times and comparing the outputs. For another, if they give the same task to three different people they're going to get three different results anyway, so what does it matter if the computer gives three different results, if they even notice.
- izacus 1y ago
  What are you basing those claims on?
- surgical_fire 1y ago
  > Normal people don't understand what the word deterministic is I would argue that they implicitly do, as any user expects the same action performed on a computer or similar system to provide the same outcome. > For another, if they give the same task to three different people they're going to get three different results Give the same three tasks to a single user to be executed three times separately, and he will get supremely annoyed if his actions do not give him the same results.
  - bigstrat2003 1y ago
    Not even implicitly understand. A layman is perfectly capable of understanding what deterministic behavior is, and claiming otherwise is just condescension.
  - dotancohen 1y ago
    Then you and I work with very different people. Here it seems "reset it and try again" is considered a viable problem solving technique.
    - surgical_fire 1y ago
      It sometimes is, as resetting may clean some dirty state. Even when people don't really understand why they are doing it, and are merely following trends they saw elsewhere, it does not invalidate the point.