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This. And I think the US Gov will step up and decide that Gen AI is too critical to disrupt for continued US hegemony vs China.

tonyhart7 1y ago
You acting like copyright would stop china doing the same thing
- TuringNYC 1y ago
  That is my point -- China will proceed forward regardless. The US Government will likely squash this lawsuit to compete with China.
  - Incipient 1y ago
    There are two competing ideologies here, and I'm not sure which is the right way to go. 1) take the higher road, otherwise you're no better than the others (eg support copyright) 2) no point in dying on this hill if you're just going to become a footnote in history (eg relax copyright here to continue to be competitive)
CuriouslyC 1y ago
Yeah, zero percent chance we don't get lawmakers and the executive stepping in to squash this if the courts don't rule the way they want.
reverendsteveii 1y ago
yeah, we're getting wartime government when it comes to AI. we're getting government of endless special cases, "here's why the law shouldn't apply this time" every time
dfedbeef 1y ago
Here's the thing, it's probably not critical for creative works. You can train on open source code, sure. Reddit; sure, maybe. But creative works... It's muddy. Just get a fucking license for copyrighted shit. It's really not even as difficult as people think; every publishing industry is so consolidated now that it would be entirely possible to work out some industry standard AI training license for publishers to opt into and pay some pittance to creators like Spotify does. Creators then have to opt in if they want a large publisher to publish their shit. You can still self publish and retain all your rights; but 99% of people won't do it because... Idk they're lazy. Look at the music industry. Other than like, insane clown posse NOFX and $uicideboy$, most bands just sign with a label and let them work out the copyright stuff. You then sign a deal with the label to train on the works where they own the publishing right. It's opt in for the creators, people can still make money from creating things. It's the same in the film business. If you want your movie in theatres you sign a deal with some publisher. There aren't really that many. Has literally nobody in tech considered how doable this is? Or tech people are just so used to being able to do anything they want that nobody looked into it?

tonyhart7 1y ago

You acting like copyright would stop china doing the same thing

TuringNYC 1y ago
That is my point -- China will proceed forward regardless. The US Government will likely squash this lawsuit to compete with China.
- Incipient 1y ago
  There are two competing ideologies here, and I'm not sure which is the right way to go. 1) take the higher road, otherwise you're no better than the others (eg support copyright) 2) no point in dying on this hill if you're just going to become a footnote in history (eg relax copyright here to continue to be competitive)

CuriouslyC 1y ago

Yeah, zero percent chance we don't get lawmakers and the executive stepping in to squash this if the courts don't rule the way they want.

reverendsteveii 1y ago

yeah, we're getting wartime government when it comes to AI. we're getting government of endless special cases, "here's why the law shouldn't apply this time" every time

dfedbeef 1y ago

Here's the thing, it's probably not critical for creative works. You can train on open source code, sure. Reddit; sure, maybe. But creative works... It's muddy. Just get a fucking license for copyrighted shit. It's really not even as difficult as people think; every publishing industry is so consolidated now that it would be entirely possible to work out some industry standard AI training license for publishers to opt into and pay some pittance to creators like Spotify does. Creators then have to opt in if they want a large publisher to publish their shit. You can still self publish and retain all your rights; but 99% of people won't do it because... Idk they're lazy. Look at the music industry. Other than like, insane clown posse NOFX and $uicideboy$, most bands just sign with a label and let them work out the copyright stuff. You then sign a deal with the label to train on the works where they own the publishing right. It's opt in for the creators, people can still make money from creating things. It's the same in the film business. If you want your movie in theatres you sign a deal with some publisher. There aren't really that many. Has literally nobody in tech considered how doable this is? Or tech people are just so used to being able to do anything they want that nobody looked into it?